Everbody is entitled to their own opinion, and we all know that's all it is. What I didn't like was Mike getting personal, so I replied in the same vein.

What exactly is Dunta's problem? He was offered a contract which would pay him in the top 2 to 3% of the league, and a $23M guarantee. Then when that wasn't acceptable the Texans put the F-tag on him for $9.7M big ones. Nothing wrong there. NO, what Dunta doesn't like is the F-tag thing. Nothing personal in that, the Texans just protecting their investment until Dunta figures out what he really does want. So he flies off the handle at that. He can't have it both ways. He is hurting himself and the team because he doesn't want to be F-tagged next year too. Now he gets unreasonable. And that is what bothers me.

That was uncalled for. Just because we as fans, who are entitled to our own opinion just as you are, do not agree with the lack of a resolution to negotiations between Dunta and the Texans does not in any way qualify anyone as a bigot.

That said, it is not just the fans that are pondering this. I cant find the quote, but it is a recent article on the main site, Carucci goes on record as perplexed to the reasons DRob would turn down top monies. Glenn Earl said as much on 610 the other day, which I am sure in on their podcasts.

Dunta is not a probowl player, pre injury he was maybe a top 10 CB, but at this point no one knows if he could even return to that. To turn down the offer, which has been reported, is not even close to condusive to the calibre of player he is. The more I think about it, the more i wish the team hadnt tagged him. Although there are some really really dumb franchises out there, I cant think of a single one that would have offered a non probowl player who had just suffered a potentialy career ending injury they reported sum the Texans did.

If he comes back and becomes a probowler, sweet. If he comes back and plays the way he has every year, not worth 10M IMO. Its pure speculation at this point either way.

The sad fact is, the Texans have been so defunt in talent over the years that even one really good player is a god. If it were C/C then he would have gotten paid, but its not. Its K/S who are more interested in building a team than a "support a medicore player foundation".

No need for this.

The point is we all (including me) should just let it go. Dunta will be in when he is ready, and all the emotion we all share on this is wasted. There is nothing we can do, so let's not get all lathered up about it. Concentrate on the players that are there in camp. The Texans are bigger than one guy. If the Great Gretzky can be traded and replaced, so can Dunta.

I can't believe you have chosen to make such a vendetta out of someones opinion. You don't have a magic wand that tells you how someone really feels, especially since all you'er doing is reading posts, not talking to the individual themselves. I am going to say one more thing about this and then you can rant all you want, I will not respond further. I have been a supporter of pro football in Houston since probably before you were born. As for being a "hater", I'm afraid I will just have to pass that one to you.

Actually it seems like a great discussion for a message board that is based on sharing opinions. If you are so bothered by someone else's opinion that you turn to insults, try staying out of the thread.

And for what it's worth, I agreed with you until that last post. I just happened to think NBT can be upset about Dunta if he feels like it.

I also think there are probably players on the Texans who are feeling less than positive towards Dunta right now, and if he does not report in time to be ready for week 1 (at least 2 weeks out), I bet most of the team has a problem with him.

Well my opinion is that my virtual penis is bigger than yours:p

I dunno, wonder when D-Rob makes his grand entrance to the Texans practice field before the start of the regular season ? Will it be sometime in the next couple weeks between now and the final preseason game, or does he wait until the Labor-Day week leading up to the Jets home-opener ?

IMO now that 2 a days are over, he will be in soon. I hope.

If he waits until labor day, then I'm POed and thinking about either rescinding his franchise tag, or I am thinking of a trade as soon as he signs.

Trouble is, as it stands now, you would think that other teams would have been calling, inquiring about a sign & trade deal. That doesn't seem to have been the case, so me thinks DR may be overvaluing himself in this market. JMHO.

I don't think you are the only one thinking this, me thinks so too.

My theory is that just like Favre, he didn't want the wear and tear on his body that comes from two-a-days, and decided to skip them. That strategy worked in nicely with his effort to avoid a franchise tag next year. I hope that the Texans don't give in on that.

Dunta has said that if the Texans do not promise to not franchise him again next season (which they won't,) he will be here for the opener. He has to be in the Monday (Sept. 7, Labor Day) prior to the first game in order to get paid for the first game.

According to my calculations, he'll be here on Labor Day.

I just think that will not go over too well with many of his teammates.

I don't think his teammates will be bothered by this at all. They're all of the same fraternity, and while they all may not be selfish or take the same route as DR, they understand they need make as much as they can when they can. As for DR, I know it's a longshot, but my hope is they find a couple guys who can play well enough to let DR sit on the pine for awhile or at least force him into the nickel role. That would screw him over pretty good for next year.

I know he has been working out somewhere, but not going 1 on 1 with NFL type receivers (they are all in camps). I don't see how he can be that sharp if he doesn't report until the first game. :mad:

He can't be and that means we will actually be spending MORE than 10 million on him. For 10 million you expect him to be fully up and going from game one through 16. If he isn't you are spending more than you thought you would because your getting less than what you are paying for.

Some teammates will have a problem. Some will not. And the longer he goes without reporting when contract negotiations are no longer even possible, the less the team will be on his side.

Actually they're all of the same union and Smith, Kubiak, & McNair are the Company. And it's a union/company matter so I'd imagine the Texans' players to a man support Robinson, especially if they know there's some truth to reports that Smith promished not to tag Robinson.

Smith may have said they would not put the F-tag on him when they were deep in negotiation for a new long term contract. When Dunta's side started playing hardball, so did Smith. Besides it is just good business. As I have said before, Dunta cannot have it both ways.

IMO, I just don't think that we are getting all the facts. The media has a way of distorting the truth for the purpose of making a story out of it.

With that said I don't know what the underlying factors are that may be influencing Dunta right now, or with Smith. Evidently they both don't wanna budge. That's where we are right now.

As far as his teammates being mad at him. I don't believe so. It may hinder him being a team leader. but as far as team members being upset; I just don't believe so. This type of thing happens often.

Lastly, the remedy for all of this is for Dunta to come in week 1 and play at a high level. If he does the Texans will be fighting to resign him to a long term contract, given the sub par conditions we are in now.

Does it?

Every other one of the 14 guys who were hit with the franchise tag are in camp and none of them got any gaurantees about no 2nd year.

And the July 15 deadline means that it is pointless to keep holding out because you can't get a new deal after that anyways. This means Dunta has been missing for the past month for no reason (other than an agent trying to save face after negotiating too hard).

So tell me how many times a guy has held out this far after being franchised. This actually doesn't happen often.

I understand your frustration (and everyone elses). I was simply stating that we don't know what is really going on behind closed doors. Because as you have stated it is too late to sign a long term deal now and two a days are over. So, just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe there is something else going on.

It is quite possible that his agent put his foot in his mouth, and pride is keeping him from owning up to it. Or there's something else.

My thing is we need him right now. Whether he is or is not back to the old Dunta. Just his game experience alone is an upgrade over what we will be starting come week 1. Both Bennett and Quinn were getting misused and abused Sunday by a team without Reggie Bush and had committed to the run early on. Imagine what Payton has in store. We definitely need something right now.

I hope he comes back soon.

And plays well

I hope he comes back and plays well. I still like Dunta. I still hope he gets a deal to stay a Texan. I will still root for him.

But that doesn't mean that all of his teammates like him or agree with what he is doing. I am sure some do and some don't. Those guys are watching there chances at winning diminished by a holdout that doesn't make much sense at this point. I am sure some aren't thrilled about that. And I am sure the longer he continues, the fewer teammates will feel positive about the whole situation.

I'm tempted to plug him in at DT when he does come back. I bet he'd be more stout against the run than "First ReP" Okam or Amobi Okoye, who has quickly become my second least favorite player on the team (after Kasey Studdard).

Yep. Nick Ferguson, for one, has implied a number of times that he does not agree with Dunta's decision to sit out this long.

You know there will be guys who are here suffering through two a days, who realize he has no negotiation legs to stand on, thou they may not say a thing publicly, they are not happy with him.

Just like in Minnesota there are guys unhappy with Farve's crap. He knew he wanted to play, he bought a house their last month, he just did not want to go to camp.

Dunta needs to be here as much as we need him.

Dunta thinks he is making a point, although to be honest with you, I can't imagine what it would be now.

I've been watching for Dunta but havn't seen him yet. I guess he needs to be practicing with our team a little or he'll be about as effective as Farve was last week his first time or two out. whenever seems to my attitude now. kinda disappointed in him for not being here, but hope he decides to show up soon. if rumors on offer to him are true, or close to true, he should have signed in February. And I hope our young guys learn to tackle now and take the right angles. probably they will learn will all the reps they are getting.

What should be making his teamates mad is that even when he reports (IF), at the start of the season ( so he doesn' miss any of that $9.7M), then he will still have to learn secondary coach David Gibbs way of playing, and will mean he will have to sit a couple of games just to come up to speed. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! I have absolutely no respect left for Mr. Robinson.

After contract dispute, Robinson reporting to Texans

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6604719.html

Agree with his and/or the organizations decisions or not, he is still the best CB we can put out there right now. Id rather a not up to speed Dunta than anyone else we have right now starting. He should be in great shape, just not game shape.

After this preseason, we need him.

I still think we need to rid ourselves of this piece of crap. So we treat him different because he is perceived to be our best option at cb? It sends a bad message to all the players that busted their tails through camp and preseason.

You're way out of line calling Robinson "this piece of crap" !
I've had a different attitude about him now myself and don't appreciate the way he handled this situation, but I'm sure I dunno the whole story here ?
I think GM Smith himself has admitted to reneging on a promise to not tag Robinson, and that no doubt has complicated the situation and was out-of-line on Smiths part IMO.
No matter, he doesn't for a moment deserve the kind of label you've put on him ! Maybe you just had one too many - it was Saturday night ?

At this point all we can on is track record. And right now he is our best option at corner. McCain is playing OK but did you see that move Percy Harvin put on him to the corner of the end zone. If he would've caught that...

Maybe dunta's trainer has gotten him back up to speed. Maybe he comes back worse. Who knows. However, at this point we need all the help we can get.

Have we forgotten Reeves is injured...

We need him, so I don't care.

Q & A with Solomon:
http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon..._physical.html
Couple of points:

Have you done some football workouts? Will it take long for you to get up to speed?
"I worked at IMG with (former Jaguars receiver) Matt Jones. We went at it, basically every day.

Will you be ready to start against the Jets?
"I think so, but I'll know more about that situation as the week goes. It won't take long to adjust once I start playing.

According to the chronic, Dunta's not mad anymore. Just plain warms the cockles of my heart to hear him say that. He also doesn't want to lose a single dollar of that filthy contract he will be "forced" to sign. ($9.97M)! Message: just hurry up and learn Coach Gibbs style of play, so you don't miss any gametime.

OK, your back. Now go out and EARN that 9.9 million top 5 money.

I am foreced to admit now that Robinson is back, if he just stabilizes that secondary with his leadership, that will erase all my ill-will. Well, most of it anyway.