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popanot

02-25-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 8565)

I would love to be a fly on Rick Smith's Blackberry at 12:01 Friday AM.

Yuck! ;) ....

papabear

02-25-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 8554)

Okay, I organized all this Peppers info into a single article with supporting linkage. Enjoy the mental holiday... :p

http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090225.html

The thought of Peppers teamed with Mario is exciting...I doubt it will happen, but it would be fun to watch. I know Peppers has been accused of disappearing and taking plays off, but I know there's a tendency when a sack guy isn't getting sacks to say that he's coasting. Even if it's not the case. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My biggest concern is what is going to happen when Mario wants a new deal. If we have to give Peppers close to 30 MILL gauranteed, what are we going to have to give Mario in a few years who is a better all around player IMO??? I would like to have Peppers, but I don't know that I would if it makes it hard to keep OD, Demeco, and Dunta. There's just so much uncertainty with the CBA. Any big move like this is even more risky than in a normal year.

papabear

02-25-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by popanot (Post 8567)

Yuck! ;) ....

It's good to know that I'm not the only twisted one here.

jppaul

02-25-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 8559)

You're kidding! Redskin fans are miserable and hopeless because Dan Snyder is young and will never learn.

Wow Gramps, you wanna drop a "...back in my day for us...".

jppaul

02-25-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8569)

It's good to know that I'm not the only twisted one here.

Thats wrong.:D

kRocket

02-25-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kravix (Post 8544)

...I would never pay my best employee minimum wage while bringing in lesser talent that gets paid a lot more.

You don't run many corporations do you ? I worked in them for 35 years and saw it all the time.:D

coloradodude

02-25-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 8555)

I hardly thing we want to model our organization after those two. How about comparing our playoff wins in the last decade to the Cowboys and Redskins. Oh, that's right, they would combine for one more than us.

You totally missed my point. Those teams consistently have players I would love to see on our team (most teams would love to have many of their players). But we have suffered through the the most mediocre players and still have been maxed out on cap room.

And management/coaching is the reason those teams can't win more games...they definitely have the talent to win more games, including playoff games. Those tow teams know how to get superior players, they just don't kow what to do with them when they get them...excluding pacman Jones.

barrett

02-25-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude (Post 8580)

We are absolutely not in cap trouble. So whatever happened years ago, we are not in cap trouble with mediocre players. We are in a great cap situation.

The colts and patriots spend wisely (one on their own talent and the other on bargain free agents). Neither spends huge money in FA. And they are the undoubted models of long term consistency in the league. I would hope the Texans are smart enough to follow suit. The skins and boys are proof that the NFL is more than a spending contest.

Now one FA signing does not make for an irresponsible spending spree. I don't mind overpaying for a single player if he makes a difference (you overpay for any FA). My problem is with your idea that those two teams are a good model of how to aquire talent.

dalemurphy

02-25-2009 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude (Post 8580)

You are confusing the ramifications from the former organization led by Casserly, with the current one. We've been dealing with ridiculous contracts and dead money from the Casserly years. All of that has now been cleared and the team's main challenge is re-signing all these very good draft picks that have been coming down the pike the past 3 seasons. After the wonderful cuts today, we are more than $25 million under the cap heading into free agency. This is the first season that the handcuffs are off of Rick Smith. Look for some significant signings. However, you should be thrilled that they won't make the splashes in the media that Snyder and Jones do. Those guys are horrible with the cap and with personnel decisions. I have no idea what you are envious of?:

Pacman Jones
T. O.
Leonard Davis at Guard for $50 million?
Randle El for $30 million?
trading a 1st, 3rd, and 6th round pick for Roy Williams?

ugggh! I don't know why an educated football fan would want anything to do with those organizations...

The Cowboys had a couple good drafts but that was when Jerry gave control to Bill Parcells- of course, then he blew that up and signed T.O. against the Tunas' wishes and got rid of Bill in order to run the organization himself again. Thanks but no thanks!

coloradodude

02-26-2009 02:45 PM

Wow...I can't believe you two guys don't understand my point.

I know we're not in cap trouble but we HAVE BEEN. That means past tense. Here's my point on that subject, ready? What did we have to show for it talent wise will in cap prison? Not much in comparison to other teams with similar cap numbers.

If we are inevitably gonna be maxed out once again, and eventually we will, I want to have something to show for it. (We have had nothing to show for it since our inception as an organization.) Talent levels that match the payouts AND 11+ wins. Compare that to what we've endured in high salaries, non-pro bowl talent with non-winning records. Playoff wins come from talent of players, commitment to team, AND coaching. You have to pay for talent.

You guys want to talk foreign policy about the ramifications of sending Clinton to China with her history of insulting China on human rights? :eek:

barrett

02-26-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude (Post 8673)

you don't get it. The cowboys have made big FA signings and they have not gotten better. There best players have been draft picks like Ware, Romo, Barber, etc... There big money spending has gotten them guys who have not helped.

As for the idea that we will "eventually" be maxed out on the cap so we should just spend while we can, this is just plain stupid. How do you figure we will eventually end up maxed on the cap with mediocre talent if we don't spend on big FA? You underline it like it's the strength of your argument, but it is little more than an illogical and unsupported statement. Please attempt to explain how we will end up "maxed on the cap" anyways no matter how we spend.

mussop

02-26-2009 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude (Post 8673)

You never should of used Dallas and Washington as examples. That was youre downfall.

papabear

02-26-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by coloradodude (Post 8673)

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If we are inevitably gonna be maxed out once again, and eventually we will, I want to have something to show for it. (We have had nothing to show for it since our inception as an organization.) Talent levels that match the payouts AND 11+ wins. Compare that to what we've endured in high salaries, non-pro bowl talent with non-winning records. Playoff wins come from talent of players, commitment to team, AND coaching. You have to pay for talent.

You do have to pay for talent, and we have. We just haven't been very good at judging talent. I get the feeling that you want the team to have sexier free agents signings. The kind of guys who are considered the best available at their position. Haynesworth, Clements, etc. The fact is that the teams who spend for the mega bucks free agents rarely show much improvement. Cowboys, Redskins, 49er's, and Jets are all teams who have spent heavily for the big guns but didn't get that much better on the field. The cap is set up so that most teams do end up with cap decisions to make at some point. Spend 100 Mill on Haynesworth or sign 4 or 5 guys for about the same amount of money who still give you an upgrade at several positions and/or great depth at others. Then draft well. I prefer the second option, but it comes down to how well you judge talent. We haven't always done a great job at that with FA. Hopefully Smith changes that. If you dump most of your free resources at a big name free agent and he fails you are screwed.

Bigtinylittle

02-26-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8686)

I get your point, but I don't agree with it. The cap numbers for most teams aren't that far apart. There's a few with a bunch of room, and a few barely squeaking under. Everyone else generally falls in between. Plenty of them don't have anything to show for it either. It's not like we are that much worse than the majority of teams in the NFL.

You do have to pay for talent, and we have. We just haven't been very good at judging talent. I get the feeling that you want the team to have sexier free agents signings. The kind of guys who are considered the best available at their position. Haynesworth, Clements, etc. The fact is that the teams who spend for the mega bucks free agents rarely show much improvement. Cowboys, Redskins, 49er's, and Jets are all teams who have spent heavily for the big guns but didn't get that much better on the field. The cap is set up so that most teams do end up with cap decisions to make at some point. Spend 100 Mill on Haynesworth or sign 4 or 5 guys for about the same amount of money who still give you an upgrade at several positions and/or great depth at others. Then draft well. I prefer the second option, but it comes down to how well you judge talent. We haven't always done a great job at that with FA. Hopefully Smith changes that. If you dump most of your free resources at a big name free agent and he fails you are screwed.

You are right-on, Papabear. I would much rather hope we get lucky signing lower level guys than hope these megabuck superstars live up to their gigantic contracts. And I don't mean just for the first year or two. Signing guys to their last contract is a risky proposition.

Roy P

02-26-2009 06:15 PM

Gibril Wilson was signed by the Dolphins for 5 years, $27.5 Million, $8 Million guaranteed. $16.5M is in the first 3 years. If we could sign Sean Jones for that kind of money, I'd be very pleased.

HPF Bob

02-26-2009 06:40 PM

I'd rather have little splashes that produce big instead of big splashes that produce big. With any team, it's all about maximizing output while minimizing expense. Is forking over a ton of draft choices and cap space on one player a smart idea? I don't think so, especially when we've spent more than the GDP of some continents to be able to sack Peyton Manning and still have almost nothing to show for it.

Mike	02-26-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 8693)

Gibril Wilson was signed by the Dolphins for 5 years, $27.5 Million, $8 Million guaranteed. $16.5M is in the first 3 years. If we could sign Sean Jones for that kind of money, I'd be very pleased.

Gibril has made out like a Bandit the last two years. Win the superbowl, take old man Al's nice signing bonus, get cut and then get Tuna dollars.

gunslinger57

02-26-2009 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 8694)

I'd rather have little splashes that produce big instead of big splashes that produce big. With any team, it's all about maximizing output while minimizing expense.

So, you'd rather spend less money than more and get the same production? That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet? ;)

Roy P

02-26-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gunslinger57 (Post 8704)

That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet? ;)

If I were the GM, Bob would be the Assistant GM and I'd have Painekiller as my College Scout.

papabear

02-26-2009 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gunslinger57 (Post 8704)

So, you'd rather spend less money than more and get the same production? That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet? ;)

I think the idea is to spend the same, but spread the "bust" risk out over several players. In general your are going to be better making smaller upgrades to several postions than one major upgrade.

gunslinger57

02-26-2009 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8711)

I think the idea is to spend the same, but spread the "bust" risk out over several players. In general your are going to be better making smaller upgrades to several postions than one major upgrade.

I got it, I was just being sarcastic. I guess I don't do it well.

Nconroe

02-26-2009 09:18 PM

So, everyone staying up till 11:30 to see if have any big splashes or a few middle splashes right out of the starting gate? guess I will.

gunslinger57

02-26-2009 09:19 PM

Yeah I'll stay up for a while. I don't have work tomorrow so I'll see what happens for the first couple of hours.

papabear

02-26-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 8706)

If I were the GM, Bob would be the Assistant GM and I'd have Painekiller as my College Scout.

Can I just be the well paid guy who's job is to just hang out and watch practices, and be in the warroom on draft day. Maybe sit in the back for a couple film sessions. Kind of like Dan Reeves consultant gig...without the experience or the ability to offer any kind of usefull insight.

...hell I wouldn't even need to be well paid. A cot to sleep on at the stadium and the leftovers from the buffet would probably do it.

gunslinger57

02-26-2009 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8715)

I'll be the offensive and defensive line dietician.

"No, you can not just look at the menu and say, 'OK!'"

Keith

02-26-2009 09:26 PM

Yeah, I'll be up late for sure.

Thanks to BattleRedBlog.com for joining me in fantasy-time on Julius Peppers. A sister site of theirs, catscratchreader.com, reacts to the posting here.

The writer's thoughts:

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I admit my postulation that Julius Peppers might end up in Miami was a shear guess based on little information. Yet the Dolphin fans quickly pointed out that such a trade is not a Bill Parcels type of move. The subsequent analysis focused on the Eagles as a potential landing place was not based on much more. ...

The fact Peppers is familiar with and likes Houston makes sense. Ever since Peppers off-season revelation that he wants to leave I've had the impression that he already had an idea of where he wanted to go. Why would he be so adamant about leaving when he doesn't know if it's a better situation for him (or does he?) With his agent located in Houston you would imagine he has a close relationship with the Texans ownership (though I'm not suggesting tampering, but some might...). Again, this postulation makes more sense than anything I've read or heard to date.

Especially with word that the Texans might be interested in Antonio Smith, a pursuit of Peppers seems and remains pretty unlikely, but still fun to think about nonetheless.

Oh, and both sites are running polls on whether a trade for Peppers including the Texans' 1st, 3rd, and 6th rounders would be worthwhile. The results? As of this posting, on the Panthers site, 80% would take the picks. On BRB, 61% wouldn't make the trade.

gunslinger57

02-26-2009 09:30 PM

A 1st, 3rd, and 6th on top of a new contract is kinda steep. The way Rick and Gary have drafted, I'd rather take my chances in the draft. We're not at the point where we can give up multiple picks just to get one player who might "put us over the top".

papabear

02-26-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gunslinger57 (Post 8720)

I agree. I would do it for a 1st and a sixth...especially since the players around fifteen don't seem all that great to me I would be more willing to give up that pick.

TexanJedi

02-26-2009 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8723)

I agree. I would do it for a 1st and a sixth...especially since the players around fifteen don't seem all that great to me I would be more willing to give up that pick.

How about a 1 and a 4 (no 3 or 6 involved) since we seem to have an extra now?

painekiller

02-26-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 8706)

If I were the GM, Bob would be the Assistant GM and I'd have Painekiller as my College Scout.

Head of Scouting thank you, but I thought I would get Bob's job by now:D

papabear

02-26-2009 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 8725)

Head of Scouting thank you, but I thought I would get Bob's job by now:D

We could make up a really important sounding title for you if it would help...but you don't get a raise.

See, I'm a perfect consultant.

painekiller

02-26-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8727)

We could make up a really important sounding title for you if it would help...but you don't get a raise.

See, I'm a perfect consultant.

They where going to pay me too!

I just want into the room, and I will eat the leftovers from the buffet. Get me into the room....:o Sorry I went on a rant. :D

And what do i have to do to leap frog Bob on the this corporate chart? I needs to know so I can work on my alibi, er I mean my plan.

gunslinger57

02-26-2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 8729)

And what do i have to do to leap frog Bob on the this corporate chart?

Compromising photographs (I'm guessing Bob in a Cowboys jersey) and possibly either A) a bathtub full of sulphuric acid; or B) a shovel and a conveniently located desert

papabear

02-26-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gunslinger57 (Post 8739)

Compromising photographs (I'm guessing Bob in a Cowboys jersey) and possibly either A) a bathtub full of sulphuric acid; or B) a shovel and a conveniently located desert

I heard Bob thinks Jared Allen is a fine upstanding you man who would never deliver a late hit to a QB, secretly wishes Al Davis owned the Texans, AND has a closet full of Cowboy's jerseys...Including a pink Romo jersey that he likes to wear with a blond wig.

painekiller

02-26-2009 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8740)

Bob, I am so sorry I got this line of thought going, but papabear has one active imagination. This made me laugh out load. Blond wig.....

Roy P

02-26-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 8718)

The writer's thoughts:.

Peppers said he wants to go to a 3-4 team and play OLB. Send him to Arizona to play with the defending NFC champs for Anquan Bolden. Everyone would be happy. Including Steve Smith.

Nconroe

02-26-2009 11:55 PM

Yes, this is the owner, I appreciate humor, and I think it is good to brainstorm different opinions in a friendly way. I think atleast 10 of you should be called the Monday morning Fan feedback team(MMFFT for short), and get to eat all the left oves you want. If you go public with any info, you are off the team. My door is always open so come on by. And this is just a joke just in case someone didn't catch that yet.

papabear

02-26-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 8742)

Bob, I am so sorry I got this line of thought going, but papabear has one active imagination. This made me laugh out load. Blond wig.....

I'm sure Bob isn't like that at all. Especially the Cowboys gear...not sure about the wig though.

painekiller

02-27-2009 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by papabear (Post 8748)

I'm sure Bob isn't like that at all. Especially the Cowboys gear...not sure about the wig though.

Now he might still have some Texas Rangers gear hiding in the closet, something Nolan Ryan at the very least. We'll tie him Dallas some how... :D

You know the wig is not as disturbing as the black pumps...

papabear

02-27-2009 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 8753)

You know the wig is not as disturbing as the black pumps...

...but the make his legs look so good.

Sorry, I can't help myself. I'll stop.

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