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Roy P 03-06-2009 11:01 PM

As the March Madness buzz is starting up, I've decided that 64 is the magic number. Here they are with the fat trimmed.


1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.40
4 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
5 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
6 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
8 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.48
9 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
11 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
12 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
15 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
17 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
19 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
21 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
22 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
23 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
24 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
25 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1" 221 4.45
26 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
27 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
29 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
30 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
31 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
32 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
33 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
34 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5" 309 4.99
35 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
36 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
38 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03
39 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
40 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
41 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.58
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
45 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
46 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
47 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
48 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
52 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
54 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
57 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
58 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
59 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
60 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38
61 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
62 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
63 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55
64 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76

mussop 03-07-2009 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9229)
As the March Madness buzz is starting up, I've decided that 64 is the magic number. Here they are with the fat trimmed.


1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.40
4 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
5 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
6 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
8 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.48
9 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
11 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
12 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
15 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
17 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
19 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
21 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
22 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
23 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
24 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
25 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1" 221 4.45
26 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
27 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
29 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
30 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
31 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
32 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
33 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
34 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5" 309 4.99
35 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
36 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
38 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03
39 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
40 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
41 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.58
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
45 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
46 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
47 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
48 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
52 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
54 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
57 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
58 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
59 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
60 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38
61 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
62 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
63 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55
64 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76

Is this youre Texans big board? How do you place a round value on these guys?

Roy P 03-07-2009 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 9231)
Is this youre Texans big board? How do you place a round value on these guys?

Yes.

Whoever the top player is in the round I'm drafting in will be their round value.

dalemurphy 03-07-2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9239)
Yes.

Whoever the top player is in the round I'm drafting in will be their round value.

Roy, You don't have Unger on the list. If that wasn't an oversight, can you explain what you don't like about him? I really like him from the limited stuff I've seen. I think he can be an Eric Steinbach type player- in regards to his versatility... I think he played all 5 OL positions during his career.

Roy P 03-07-2009 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 9241)
Roy, You don't have Unger on the list. If that wasn't an oversight, can you explain what you don't like about him?

I like him. He's probably a 2nd round pick before we even get to our pick. I don't like him so much that I would trade up for him. His Combine numbers are not consistent with a ZBS guy. I like Eric Wood and Alex Mack just as much if not more and can probably get them later on in the draft.

My list has quite a bit of variables that I don't have the time to go through. A part of it has to do with probability that a player will be available compared to players I have around him. Some people call that "value" or whatever. In my estimate, Unger is currently overvalued.

mussop 03-08-2009 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9243)
I like him. He's probably a 2nd round pick before we even get to our pick. I don't like him so much that I would trade up for him. His Combine numbers are not consistent with a ZBS guy. I like Eric Wood and Alex Mack just as much if not more and can probably get them later on in the draft.

My list has quite a bit of variables that I don't have the time to go through. A part of it has to do with probability that a player will be available compared to players I have around him. Some people call that "value" or whatever. In my estimate, Unger is currently overvalued.

HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme. Ill go on record right now and say if he is selected by a team that runs it he will be an allpro. He is the best second level blocker I have ever seen in college. The only thing he is lacking right now is strength. That can be fixed. If he does get stronger IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

Roy P 03-08-2009 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 9253)
HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme.

IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

We all have opinions. I just think that Eric Wood will be better than Unger. Especially since I've seen mock drafts where Unger is drafted by the Steelers in the 1st round, I think Wood will be better value.

mussop 03-08-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9259)
We all have opinions. I just think that Eric Wood will be better than Unger. Especially since I've seen mock drafts where Unger is drafted by the Steelers in the 1st round, I think Wood will be better value.

I agree we all have opinions and I was just throwing mine out there. I wasnt trying to be a smart ass and act like you were wrong. Hope you didnt take it that way. :o

dalemurphy 03-09-2009 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 9253)
HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme. Ill go on record right now and say if he is selected by a team that runs it he will be an allpro. He is the best second level blocker I have ever seen in college. The only thing he is lacking right now is strength. That can be fixed. If he does get stronger IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

I don't think his versatility should be discounted. First, I think it says a lot about his athletic ablity that he successful played LT and C in the same season. Also, I think it says a lot about his understanding of the game and his technical ability. Especially, though, with teams only dressing 7 linemen most games, he offers a flexibility that is almost invaluable, IMO

mussop 03-09-2009 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 9265)
I don't think his versatility should be discounted. First, I think it says a lot about his athletic ablity that he successful played LT and C in the same season. Also, I think it says a lot about his understanding of the game and his technical ability. Especially, though, with teams only dressing 7 linemen most games, he offers a flexibility that is almost invaluable, IMO

If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

painekiller 03-09-2009 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 9267)
If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

Which is why I predict him to be gone by the 33rd pick.

Roy P 03-09-2009 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 9268)
Which is why I predict him to be gone by the 33rd pick.

No disagreement here. Which is why he has come off my board. I'm not looking to trade down to get him nor would I trade up to get him. It is more a matter of where we are on the draft slots and where I see him coming off the board.

Nconroe 03-09-2009 09:14 PM

Here is a dumb question, so, if a guy isn't on your list but he slips from where you thought he'd be, how do you know to draft him as excellent value. probably you have another list to protect against overlooking a great value.

Roy P 03-09-2009 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nconroe (Post 9276)
Here is a dumb question, so, if a guy isn't on your list but he slips from where you thought he'd be, how do you know to draft him as excellent value. probably you have another list to protect against overlooking a great value.

Well, since I don't run the Texans, it doesn't really matter. This is my list to use on draft day so I can compare what I would have done compared to the Texans.

I don't have scouts all over the country and millions of dollars invested in research. Just a couple of web sites and my own peepers to determine who I'd want and when. After the draft, I can go back to this list and say "I told you so" when a guy I wanted outperforms the guy the Texans drafted.

I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans. My point is to show that I can do more with less. There are plenty of websites that rank every college player. What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

Undoubtedly, the Texans will most likely draft some players who are not My Guys. That's when I feel vindicated in complaining. Sometimes, they do pick one of my guys - Antwaun Molden, and I'm pleasantly surprised. I feel especially biased in hoping those players get on the field and make contributions.

So, if Unger just happens to be available at #45 and I draft William Moore instead, I think I can live with that. However, I seriously doubt that Unger lasts that long, so it's kind of a moot point.

Roy P 03-09-2009 09:38 PM

A slight adjustment. I'll probably still end up drafting Matthews at #15, but he does drop a couple of slots. I've also removed McBath from Texas Tech as I try to consolidate a bit. Today's date is 3/9/09, just so I will know and not update at least until 3/16. I probably shuffle this thing at least 3 times a day.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College
3 DE Brian Orakpo Texas
4 CB Vontae Davis Illinois
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St.
6 LB Clay Matthews USC
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss
8 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri
12 S William Moore Missouri
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville
14 OC Alex Mack California
15 DE Paul Kruger Utah
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
19 RB Andre Brown NC State
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
21 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
22 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa
24 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
25 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
26 WR Mike Thomas Arizona
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia
29 S Rashad Johnson Alabama
30 S David Bruton Notre Dame
31 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama
32 DT Alex Magee Purdue
33 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
34 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
35 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M
38 RB Glen Coffee Alabama
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
40 S C.J. Spillman Marshall
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue
43 LB Cody Brown Connecticut
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama
45 DT Roy Miller Texas
46 DT Dorell Scott Clemson
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State
50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
52 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.
54 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU
56 LB Victor Butler Oregon St
57 DE Will Davis Illinois
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska

Bold indicates where I'm guessing the rounds separate for those who care about that sort of thing.

Roy P 03-12-2009 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 9267)
If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

After some consideration, I've decided to put Unger back on the list. Still think it's a moot point, but I think I really want him more than LeSean McCoy. Afterall, there are other RBs who may be available later in the draft, but not many versatile OL. So, to keep things concise, Unger will replace McCoy on the My Guys draft board on its next update. I also think I'll be adding another USC Trojan.

mussop 03-13-2009 03:48 AM

These are my absolute favorite players in this draft.

BJ Raji DT
Clay Matthews OLB
Max Unger C
Donald Brown RB
Victor Harris CB
Darius Butler CB
Rashad Johnson S
T McKenzie OLB
Emanual Cook S
Jarron Gilbert DE
Gartrell Johnson RB
Pat White QB

If we come out of this draft with any 2 of these guys I will be happy happy happy.

nunusguy 03-13-2009 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9278)
A slight adjustment. I'll probably still end up drafting Matthews at #15, but he does drop a couple of slots. I've also removed McBath from Texas Tech as I try to consolidate a bit. Today's date is 3/9/09, just so I will know and not update at least until 3/16. I probably shuffle this thing at least 3 times a day.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College
3 DE Brian Orakpo Texas
4 CB Vontae Davis Illinois
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St.
6 LB Clay Matthews USC
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss
8 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri
12 S William Moore Missouri
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville
14 OC Alex Mack California
15 DE Paul Kruger Utah
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
19 RB Andre Brown NC State
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
21 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
22 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa
24 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
25 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
26 WR Mike Thomas Arizona
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia
29 S Rashad Johnson Alabama
30 S David Bruton Notre Dame
31 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama
32 DT Alex Magee Purdue
33 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
34 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
35 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M
38 RB Glen Coffee Alabama
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
40 S C.J. Spillman Marshall
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue
43 LB Cody Brown Connecticut
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama
45 DT Roy Miller Texas
46 DT Dorell Scott Clemson
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State
50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
52 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.
54 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU
56 LB Victor Butler Oregon St
57 DE Will Davis Illinois
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska

Bold indicates where I'm guessing the rounds separate for those who care about that sort of thing.

Refresh my memory if you would RP, this list of players (aka "my guys) is what exactly ? I mean I obviously know you like "my guys", but is this list based on BPA for the whole Board or what the Texans needs are or a projection/mock of how the Draft will shake-out or some combo of these elements ? Or something else ?

Roy P 03-13-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 9342)
Refresh my memory if you would RP, this list of players (aka "my guys) is what exactly ?

It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

idymoe 03-13-2009 06:17 PM

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

1. Aaron Maybin

2. Paul Kruger

3. Chip Vaughn

4a. Lawrence Sidbury

4b. A.Q. Shipley

5. Kory Irvin

6. Ian Johnson

7. Stephen Hodge

Wow. Do you think that would help the defense any? :D

mussop 03-13-2009 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 9351)
Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

1. Aaron Maybin No thanks, he doesnt fit here.

2. Paul Kruger With only one kidney this is too high for him.

3. Chip Vaughn Now youre taliking.

4a. Lawrence Sidbury EH!

4b. A.Q. Shipley Bla

5. Kory Irvin Bla

6. Ian Johnson I jsut threw up in my mouth alittle.

7. Stephen Hodge Bla

Wow. Do you think that would help the defense any? :D

I dont think it would be a very good draft at all.

Roy P 03-13-2009 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 9351)
Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

Do you think that would help the defense any? :D

Well, I haven't updated my draftboard here, yet. However, I'll let you know that this is who I would be picking today on Friday the 13th. I've also included my "Athlete Index" just for kicks.

1. LB Clay Matthews 5.46
2. OC Eric Wood 5.00
3. S Chip Vaughn 5.42
4. DE Lawrence Sidbury 5.44
4. DE Kyle Moore 4.54
5. LB Scott McKillop 5.58
6. RB Ian Johnson 5.46
7. DT Roy Miller 5.31

Now, it appears that there is a little bit of trouble with this draft. Kyle Moore is new to my board and he has the lowest index of any of my draft picks. However, he has more potential than Robert Ayers, who is now a 1st round pick. He's also insurance in case Antonio Smith doesn't pan out. I felt weird drafting him after getting Sidbury, but he does offer something a little different.

Scott McKillop was also just too good to pass up at this point in the draft. He's probably going to be better at the MIKE, but with DeMeco here, I'll give him a shot at SAM. That makes Matthews the WILL.

I was hoping to get Cedric Peerman as my other RB in the 4th round instead of Kyle Moore, but he was off the board. Luckily, I was still able to get Ian Johnson to help out in the backfield. Another thought for the 4th round was to draft David Bruton instead of Sidbury to go along with Chip Vaughn in the Secondary. Then I'd only have 1 DE (Moore) in the draft to go along with a SS and a FS.

Lastly, Roy Miller might motivate Frank Okam to go to law school or start performing on the football field.

idymoe 03-13-2009 09:21 PM

Yours is heavy defense, as well. I know there is duplication of positions in my draft and yours. I think in an actual draft, if you went that many picks defense or offense and got 2 above average players right away, another that turned into above average in a few years and a couple of guys that could provide decent depth and play some special teams, that would be a successful draft.

Roy P 03-13-2009 10:08 PM

I have to say that I am very intrigued by Vontae Davis. The only reason I have Clay Matthews slotted ahead of him is because I am of the belief that I can find another player to put at FS later in the draft. The Texans appear to like both the SS and the FS to be very similar in their ability to stop the run to disguise who may be in the box. However, the thought of Vaughn and Davis makes me a happy guy.

The history of Vernon Davis and Jason Allen also gives me pause. Vernon, like his brother, put on a hellacious showing at the Combine. However, he has not put up the production that I would have expected. That may have something to do with the team and coaches he's been playing with, but I must put some of the responsibility on him. Jason Allen was another CB who was selected highly (16th) and expected to play FS without much results.

For those who do not remember Allen's numbers:

4.39 - 40, 1.5 - 10, 17 - Reps, 39.5" - Vert, 10'11" - Jump, 3.83 - Shuttle, 6.77 - Cone

Davis put up:
4.40 - 40, 1.47 - 10, 25 - Reps, 36" - Vert, 10' 5" - Jump, 4.07 - Shuttle, 6.75 - Cone

Now, it's not really fair to compare Vontae to his brother or even another athletic DB. However, it's in the back of my mind and pulling me towards Matthews.

Clay is not a bad athlete, to say the least;

4.62 - 40, 35.5" - Vert, 10'1" - Jump, 6.9 - Cone

But last year, Cliff Avril was the 3rd round pick (92) after his Combine:

4.59 - 40, 32.5" - Vert, 9'9" - Jump, 6.9 - Cone

So, I'm not quite sure if Clay is 77 picks better. However, this is a different draft. Clay is probably better in space and may be able to play the WILL, where Avril was simply a SAM/DE hybrid. Also, there aren't many LBs in THIS draft who come close to offering what Mathews does in terms of size, speed, and pass-rushing ability. Conversely, I can get a player like David Bruton or Chris Clemons on the 2nd day of the draft who may be able to match Vontae Davis's athleticism. Obviously, they aren't considered to be in the same level by the "experts" because of what they did and didn't do on the field in college. Nor are they possible lockdown CBs, which is considered the more valuable position by many.

As many of you know, I'm aware that football is more than just numbers at the Combine. However, I think that they must be considered in order to keep evaluators objective.

Roy P 03-13-2009 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9354)

4. DE Kyle Moore 4.54

Kyle Moore is new to my board and he has the lowest index of any of my draft picks. However, he has more potential that Robert Ayers, who is now a 1st round pick.

Just to finish this thought. The Texans were supposedly interested in Mike Montgomery of the Packers, so Kyle Moore isn't a crazy idea.

I also thought I'd compare Moore, Ayers, and Kruger.

Name------School---Height---Weight---40---Reps---Vert---20---10---Jump---3-Cone---Shuttle---Explosion---Quickness---Athlete
Paul Kruger-Utah-6' 4 1/4"---263lbs---4.83----24----32.5--2.76--1.6----9-----7.52-------4.47------65.5--------13.59----4.82
Robert Ayers-Tenn-6' 3 1/8"-272lbs---4.77----18----29.5--2.78--1.66---8.5----7.58------4.51------56----------13.75----4.07
Kyle Moore--USC--6' 5"-----272lbs----4.81----22----30.5--280--1.62---8.75---7.4-------4.47-------61.25------13.49----4.54

jppaul 03-14-2009 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9349)
It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

Just out of curiousity, no overtones intended, how has the board done in past drafts.

painekiller 03-14-2009 01:49 AM

Just a small commercial for Ian Johnson, he was a top 5 RB in the forty at the combine. He has been nothing short of a TD machine in his college career. He also is a team player.

If you can get a RB who broke Marshall Faulk college TD record in the 6th round, you have to take a shot on him IMO.

Roy P 03-14-2009 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jppaul (Post 9361)
Just out of curiousity, no overtones intended, how has the board done in past drafts.

It's met or exceeded the S&P 500 over the last 5 year average. :D

To tell you the truth, I can't recall every pick. The HPF.com site is no longer and that is where I had all of my boards. Just going with the 1st round picks, I would have gone with these....

2004 : DE Will Smith
2005 : WR Mark Clayton
2006 : LB AJ Hawk
2007 : LB Patrick Willis
2008 : CB Antoine Cason

Keith 03-14-2009 11:41 AM

I think the question is more about Roy's board, but on the old site, at least for the first 4 or 5 drafts, I kept a pretty short board of picks up through the Texans first round selection which I still have archived.

2002 - LT Bryant McKinnie (Carr was pre-determined by January... I had Peppers and McKinnie at the top, slight edge to McKinnie since JP didn't seem like a good fit for the 3-4)
2003 - WR Charles Rogers (WR Angry Dre was next)
2004 - DE Will Smith (Dunta was next)
2005 - LB Derrick Johnson (before the trade-down at least ...Travis Johnson was my highest rated DT/34DE for awhile before the draft)
2006 - DE Mario Williams (I was down on Reggie but expected Texans to take him.)
2007 - didn't officially commit a list, or can't recall one. It probably would have come down to LB Patrick Willis and CBs Leon Hall and Darrelle Revis. My mock nearly won the overall ESPN.com contest though... would have won a Hummer if I predicted the Okoye pick!!! Ugh.
2008 - didn't officially commit a list (was building ItB!). Once the majority of the LTs were gone though, I had my eye on RB Rashard Mendenhall

There were obviously players I liked more that were taken before the Texans were on the clock, and there was a draft or two in which I might have considered a trade up.

idymoe 03-14-2009 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 9362)
Just a small commercial for Ian Johnson, he was a top 5 RB in the forty at the combine. He has been nothing short of a TD machine in his college career. He also is a team player.

If you can get a RB who broke Marshall Faulk college TD record in the 6th round, you have to take a shot on him IMO.



In addition to that, he is a very hard worker, great in the locker room and will play special teams. You might say he's a tough player, too. He finished one game with a bruised kidney and another with a partially collapsed lung.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/boises...ry/189481.html

painekiller 03-14-2009 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idymoe (Post 9368)
In addition to that, he is a very hard worker, great in the locker room and will play special teams. You might say he's a tough player, too. He finished one game with a bruised kidney and another with a partially collapsed lung.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/boises...ry/189481.html

I forget he is in your backyard, you sold me on him a month or so back.

Now I am not saying go for him in the 1st, but he seems to be deep on most "guru's " RB list. That has the potential to make a guy with his attributes a steal.

jppaul 03-14-2009 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 9366)
I think the question is more about Roy's board, but on the old site, at least for the first 4 or 5 drafts, I kept a pretty short board of picks up through the Texans first round selection which I still have archived.

2002 - LT Bryant McKinnie (Carr was pre-determined by January... I had Peppers and McKinnie at the top, slight edge to McKinnie since JP didn't seem like a good fit for the 3-4)
2003 - WR Charles Rogers (WR Angry Dre was next)
2004 - DE Will Smith (Dunta was next)
2005 - LB Derrick Johnson (before the trade-down at least ...Travis Johnson was my highest rated DT/34DE for awhile before the draft)
2006 - DE Mario Williams (I was down on Reggie but expected Texans to take him.)
2007 - didn't officially commit a list, or can't recall one. It probably would have come down to LB Patrick Willis and CBs Leon Hall and Darrelle Revis. My mock nearly won the overall ESPN.com contest though... would have won a Hummer if I predicted the Okoye pick!!! Ugh.
2008 - didn't officially commit a list (was building ItB!). Once the majority of the LTs were gone though, I had my eye on RB Rashard Mendenhall

There were obviously players I liked more that were taken before the Texans were on the clock, and there was a draft or two in which I might have considered a trade up.

Funny looking back at it though. 2006, I like Hawk but there is no way I would advocate using the first round on a linebacker, but I was pissed that we didn't take Reggie Bush. I would still eventually like to see what he could do in a Denver style offense.

dalemurphy 03-14-2009 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jppaul (Post 9374)
Funny looking back at it though. 2006, I like Hawk but there is no way I would advocate using the first round on a linebacker, but I was pissed that we didn't take Reggie Bush. I would still eventually like to see what he could do in a Denver style offense.

About 30% less than Steve Slaton.

Roy P 03-14-2009 08:11 PM

March 14th update. Happy Steak and BJ day to everyone.

1 LB Aaron Curry
2 DT B.J. Raji
3 LB Clay Matthews
4 CB Vontae Davis
5 DE Brian Orakpo
6 DE Everette Brown
7 DT Ziggy Hood
8 DE Aaron Maybin
9 RB Donald Brown
10 DT Peria Jerry
11 OC Eric Wood
12 S William Moore
13 OC Max Unger
14 OC Alex Mack
15 S Chip Vaughn
16 DE Paul Kruger
17 DE Robert Ayers
18 S Patrick Chung
19 DT Sen'Derrick Marks

20 DE Lawrence Sidbury
21 RB Cedric Peerman
22 RB Andre Brown
23 RB Rashad Jennings
24 LB Gerald McGrath
25 RB Shonn Greene
26 TE Shawn Nelson
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe
28 S David Bruton
29 WR Mike Thomas
30 S Chris Clemons
31 S Rashad Johnson
32 DE Kyle Moore

33 OC A.Q. Shipley
34 LB Scott McKillop
35 LB Cody Brown
36 DT Alex Magee
37 OC Antoine Caldwell
38 DT Corvey Irvin
39 OG Gerald Cadogan
40 RB Ian Johnson
41 RB Glen Coffee
42 QB Stephen McGee
43 LB Lee Robinson
44 RB Kory Sheets
45 S C.J. Spillman
46 QB John Parker Wilson
47 DT Roy Miller
48 DT Terrence Taylor
49 DT Dorell Scott
50 WR Kevin Ogletree

51 DE Stryker Sulak
52 WR Demetrius Byrd
53 RB Javarris Williams
54 LB Stephen Hodge
55 LB Victor Butler
56 DE Will Davis
57 S Keith Fitzhugh
58 DT Ra'Shon Harris
59 DT Myron Pryor
60 DT Terrence Knighton
61 DE Pierre Walters
62 QB David Johnson
63 RB Marlon Lucky

painekiller 03-14-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 9375)
About 30% less than Steve Slaton.

If we had positive reps you would have earned one there.

James 03-15-2009 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9378)
March 14th update. Happy Steak and BJ day to everyone.

You must be a restaurant man Roy . . .it was an interesting night asking my guests if they were celebrating anything.

Roy P 03-21-2009 11:56 AM

March 21st
 
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
4 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
5 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
8 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
10 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98

11 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
12 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
13 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
14 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
16 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
17 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
18 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
19 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00

20 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
23 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
24 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
25 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65

26 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
28 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
29 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
30 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
31 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
32 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
33 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81

34 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
35 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
37 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
38 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
39 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5 1/8" 309 4.99

40 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
41 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
44 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
45 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
46 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
48 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
49 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38

50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
52 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
53 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
54 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
57 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55

Roy P 03-22-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9277)
I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans.

What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

Bigtinylittle 03-22-2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 9517)
It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

I checked out that cite and I liked it. Two quotes I especially liked:

"The best way to stop today’s pass-friendly NFL offenses is to put the quarterback on his back."

"... the name of the game for the defense is rushing the quarterback. The offense typically wins if the quarterback has time to throw and protecting the blindside is crucial."

One thing I disagree with him about, though, is his listing of Bomar as a value pick. It appears to me that he hasn't actually seen Bomar play any games. Bomar looks great on paper or even in practuce, but put eleven defensive players in front of him and he quickly melts down. If he ever becomes a solid NFL starter I will be greatly surprised.

Roy P 03-28-2009 03:02 PM

March 28th 2009
 
Okay, this is the last board for March and I've added some CB's. I really like Clay Matthews, but I just can't pull the trigger if Jeremy Maclin is on the board. If Maclin and my other 1st round picks are available, I'm looking to trade down as far as #20 and take the BPA.

1st round talent
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
10 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40

2nd round
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
12 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
13 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62
14 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
15 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
17 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
18 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
19 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77

3rd round
20 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
23 OT Jamon Meredith South Carolina 6' 5" 304 4.99
24 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
25 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
26 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
27 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
28 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
29 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
30 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
31 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
32 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
33 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63

4th round
34 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
35 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
36 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
37 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
38 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 1" 195 4.47
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
40 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
41 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
42 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
43 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
44 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96

5th round
45 FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
46 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
47 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
48 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76

6th round
49 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
50 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
51 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
52 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35

7th round
53 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
54 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
55 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
56 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
57 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
58 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
59 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
62 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78


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