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Roy P 02-21-2016 02:04 PM

Any computer simulation mock draft is only as good as the database you are using. I chose the latest updated Draftgeek draft list and the results were too good to be true.

#22 WR Laquon Treadwell
#52 NT Jarran Reed
# 85 TE Hunter Henry
#120 QB Dak Prescott (I was nervous about the pick since Kevin Hogan was chosen earlier in the round)
#159 OG Christian Westerman - too good to pass up here. Hoped that Kenyan Drake would last for my next pick.
#166 RB CJ Prosise (220lbs feature back - I'll take it)
#198 ILB Nick Vigil

I then did a CBS Draftline database draft on Fanspeak and came away with this:

#22 QB Paxton Lynch
#52 WR Josh Doctson
#85 RB Kenneth Dixon
#120 DE Matt Ioannidis
#159 NT Javon Hargrave
#166 TE Henry Krieger-Coble
#198 OLB Victor Ochi

painekiller 02-21-2016 11:06 PM

Used DraftGeek on this one, man their list is nuts

29: R1P29 QB JARED GOFF CALIFORNIA (2nd QB taken)
52: R2P21 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH
85: R3P22 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
93: R3P30 WR DE'RUNNYA WILSON MISSISSIPPI STATE
120: R4P21 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
129: R4P30 OT REES ODHIAMBO BOISE STATE
159: R5P20 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
166: R5P27 C JACK ALLEN MICHIGAN STATE
167: R5P28 CB CRE'VON LEBLANC FLORIDA ATLANTIC
198: R6P20 WR DEMARCUS AYERS HOUSTON

TRADE PARTNER:
ARIZONA CARDINALS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 (OLB JAYLON SMITH)

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29 (QB JARED GOFF)
ROUND: 3 PICK: 30 (WR DE'RUNNYA WILSON)
ROUND: 4 PICK: 30 (OG/OT REES ODHIAMBO)
ROUND: 5 PICK: 28 (CB CRE'VON LEBLANC)

I was trying to to do Roy's no trade mock, but they offered me to much to drop 7 spots. Goff at 29, no way it happens IMO. But I take it.

I took two DTs, one will be a NT one a 5 tech DE. Not sure who will be what, but I can guess.

I also got the best TE in the draft in the 3rd round, I jumped. Crazy list to mock to.

Some of these are old names for me and some are new, I can't wait until we know the teams real needs after FA starts.

Roy P 02-22-2016 09:58 AM

The list seems ridiculous. Getting Goff at #29 and Hunter Henry in the 3rd round is just unbelievable. Then, you take a look team by team and it isn't too crazy.

HPF Bob 02-22-2016 10:28 AM

Fanspeak Walter Football 2/22 Mock w/ trades
 
I took my own suggestion and made a pre-draft trade up in the first round to try to improve our QB options in the draft. As mentioned in another thread, the Eagles did not have a 2nd round pick so I offered our #1 (22) and #2 for Philly's #13 and was rejected. So I added our 5th (the 20th pick that round) and they took the bait. Later, I traded out of the 4th round to pick up a 5th and 6th from San Francisco, giving us a 1st, 3rd, two 5ths and 2 6ths.

Walter Football was the most recently updated so I used that one which had Carson Wentz ranked 10th on their big board. He was still there at #13.

13: R1P13 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
142: R5P3 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
166: R5P27 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
198: R6P20 OT ALEX LEWIS NEBRASKA
210: R6P32 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE

All my guys after this seem to be folks with versatility and special teams potential other than Alex Lewis. Collins is a solid all-around back whose one major knock is ball security. Vannett disappeared with all the talent at OSU but CBS had him rated as the third-best TE who also can be used as a slot receiver or FB. Jones is a converted receiver who returns kicks and can pick off passes. Still raw as a corner though. Aguayo is clearly the top kicker on the board.

Alex Lewis is a guy with 2nd-round talent at LT but has a temper that needs to be controlled. He was sentenced to 45 days while at Colorado for beating a man unconscious and also had discipline issues at Nebraska after he transferred but he was also a team captain with the Huskers. He could be a cheap steal or a huge bust. In the 6th, that's worth a gamble.

Roy P 02-23-2016 06:40 PM

I did two mocks today: the first time was with the Fanspeak database:
#22 QB Paxton Lynch
#52 WR Josh Doctson
#85 RB Kenneth Dixon
#120 SS Miles Killebrew
#159 NT Javon Hargrave
#166 TE Jerell Adams
#198 TE Henry Krieger-Coble

The 2nd time I chose the Risden database and I felt silly:
#22 QB Jared Goff
#52 Laquon Treadwell
#85 OT Shon Coleman
#120 WR Tyler Boyd
#159 RB Jordan Howard
#166 DE Matt Ioannidis
#198 OT Kyle Murphy

Roy P 02-24-2016 06:18 PM

CBS and Draftspeak

#22 QB Carson Wentz
#52 TE Hunter Henry
#85 WR Tyler Boyd
#120 G Christian Wwsterman
#159 RB CJ Prosise
#166 CB Harlan Miller
#198 OLB James Crowser

#22 WR Laquon Treadwell
#52 QB Paxton Lynch
#85 Tyler Boyd
#120 RB Kenyan Drake
#159 DE Matt Ioannidis
#166 ILB Blake Martinez
#198 TE David Morgan II

painekiller 02-25-2016 08:05 PM

Cause I just watched Hackenberg's media time. Seems like a good kid, talks the BOB talk. I used Walter's List.

33: R2P2 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
52: R2P21 QB CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG PENN STATE
85: R3P22 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
93: R3P30 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
101: R4P2 DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
120: R4P21 G JOSHUA GARNETT STANFORD
129: R4P30 WR DE'RUNNYA WILSON MISSISSIPPI STATE
140: R5P1 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY
159: R5P20 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
166: R5P27 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE
198: R6P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU


ARIZONA CARDINALS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 (DT SHELDON RANKINS )

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29 sent to TITANS
ROUND: 3 PICK: 30 (RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS)
ROUND: 4 PICK: 30 (WR DE'RUNNYA WILSON)

TRADE PARTNER:
TENNESSEE TITANS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29 (CB VERNON HARGREAVES)

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 2 (TE HUNTER HENRY)
ROUND: 4 PICK: 2 (DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY)
ROUND: 5 PICK: 1 (TE TYLER HIGBEE)

2 trade downs to capture 5 extra picks.

HPF Bob 02-27-2016 11:42 AM

2/27 Fanspeak w/NFLMock w/trades
 
It appears Fanspeak will allow you, as the Texans, to send our 1st, 2nd and our first 5th-rounder to Philadelphia for their 1st (13th overall) anytime you want to do it. I tried some other variations of the deal and it always refuses.

The strategy, at this point, has three prongs:

1. Trade up to #13 and hope Goff or Wentz falls to you. I've been able to make this work about 60% of the time. If it doesn't work, then you have to decide whether to trade back down or grab someone else that unexpectedly fell.

2. Stay put at #22 and take Lynch or Cook if they are available.

3. Take another player at #22 or trade down but ultimately, aim for the next group of Prescott and Hackenberg.

I prefer the idea of getting the best QB we can afford without giving up a future #1. Losing your second-rounder hurts but if the reward is Goff or Wentz, it is a good deal. Later, I traded out of the 4th round to San Francisco for an early 5th and a late 6th to give us 6 overall choices.

13: R1P13 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA ST
85: R3P22 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
142: R5P3 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
166: R5P27 OT-OG DENVER KIRKLAND ARKANSAS
198: R6P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
210: R6P32 K ROBERT AGUAYO FLORIDA ST

Williams is a value pick in the 5th. He was projected a third rounder who was out all last season with a foot injury but appeared at the Senior Bowl. I like backs who didn't get run to death in college and are undervalued because of it.

Kirkland is a massive man with experience at G and OT who can fill in at any of 4 positions along the line but needs refinement.

Norris is a 3-4 ILB who makes up for being a step slow with a quick first step and great ball-hunting instincts. How much longer will we have Cushing? McKinney fills one spot but we need someone else to challenge here.

Roy P 02-27-2016 03:27 PM

I can see why we want to be aggressive about trading up for a Franchise QB. However, the only guy ready to step in and take over the team on day one is Goff, in my opinion. I like Wentz's upside, but would be scared to trade ao much to get him.

Roy P 02-27-2016 06:41 PM

After watching Wentz's footwork today, I will have to say that I am impressed. He has made progress since Mobile. So, after 2nd thought, I would be ok with trading up to 13 for him. I wouldn't do that deal for Lynch though. After watching Wentz today, I doubt he drops to #13 so perhaps it is a moot point. :/

painekiller 02-27-2016 08:38 PM

DraftTek list

14: R1P14 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA ST
52: R2P21 WR WILLIAM FULLER NOTRE DAME
85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
120: R4P21 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO ST
159: R5P20 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
166: R5P27 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
198: R6P20 G CONNOR MCGOVERN MISSOURI

Swapped 1st round picks with Oakland and gave them 1st round pick from 2017, to get up and grab Wentz. Everything else was letting the draft come to me.

Roy P 02-27-2016 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 43316)
DraftTek list

14: R1P14 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA ST
52: R2P21 WR WILLIAM FULLER NOTRE DAME
85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
120: R4P21 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO ST
159: R5P20 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
166: R5P27 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
198: R6P20 G CONNOR MCGOVERN MISSOURI

Swapped 1st round picks with Oakland and gave them 1st round pick from 2017, to get up and grab Wentz. Everything else was letting the draft come to me.

Love the picks. I don't see Vannett lasting that long, but you never know. Interested in which RBs were available at #85. Getting both Razorbacks is a nice touch. McGovern impressed me at the Combine.

painekiller 02-27-2016 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 43317)
Love the picks. I don't see Vannett lasting that long, but you never know. Interested in which RBs were available at #85. Getting both Razorbacks is a nice touch. McGovern impressed me at the Combine.

To be honest, when the pick came up for Williams, I had forgotten that I already had Collins. Not Sure what I would have grabbed instead of RB with that pick now.

And I also like the fact that I was able to keep all my picks for this draft. If Wentz turns out as expected, then two ones is worth it.

AFC South would have Luck, Bortles, Mariota, and then Wentz. Pretty solid potential top to bottom.

Roy P 02-27-2016 10:26 PM

I'm a proponent of surrounding whoever the QB is with talent. A RB, TE, WR, and OL to protect him.

HPF Bob 02-28-2016 10:01 AM

In this draft, I fully agree. We have to jump start the offense. So, the question becomes Would you rather trade a 1st, 2nd and 5th to Philly for #13 or trade a 1st and next year's 1st to Oakland for pick #14? The answer may be that Philly might take our QB at #13 or trade down with the Rams who might take our QB at #13.

It all may be for nothing if Goff and Wentz continue to impress but there's a long way to go.

painekiller 02-28-2016 07:07 PM

Draft Geek list On Fanspeak

23: R1P23 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
67: R3P4 WR COREY COLEMAN BAYLOR
85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
102: R4P3 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
112: R4P13 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
120: R4P21 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE
151: R5P12 C MAX TUERK USC
159: R5P20 OT COLE TONER HARVARD
166: R5P27 S ELIJAH SHUMATE NOTRE DAME
169: R5P30 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA
192: R6P14 DT ANTHONY ZETTEL PENN STATE
194: R6P16 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE
198: R6P20 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY


TRADE PARTNER:
DALLAS COWBOYS GET
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21 (S VONN BELL)

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 4 (WR COREY COLEMAN)
ROUND: 4 PICK: 3 (QB DAK PRESCOTT)
ROUND: 6 PICK: 14 (DT ANTHONY ZETTEL)

TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS GET
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 (OT TAYLOR DECKER)

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 23 (QB PAXTON LYNCH)
ROUND: 3 PICK: 23 (DETROIT PICKS BELOW)

TRADE PARTNER:
DETROIT LIONS GET
ROUND: 3 PICK: 23 (OLB YANNICK NGAKOUE )

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 13 (DT MATT IOANNIDIS)
ROUND: 5 PICK: 12 (C MAX TUERK)
ROUND: 5 PICK: 30 (WR MALCOLM MITCHELL)
ROUND: 6 PICK: 16 (S JORDAN LUCAS)

Roy P 02-28-2016 08:16 PM

Lynch and Prescott.....I like it. Let them have a real QB battle.

painekiller 02-28-2016 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 43327)
Lynch and Prescott.....I like it. Let them have a real QB battle.

The fear will always be that 4th rounder out plays the 1st rounder. Also with BOB I don't see them keeping a fourth QB, so one of them would most likely be staffed on IR.

So not a likely draft

Roy P 02-28-2016 09:07 PM

It's not likely, but I would like to see who picks up the Offense quicker.

painekiller 02-29-2016 12:57 PM

Heard that Chargers are willing to trade #3. So I tried it on fanspeak.

Used DraftTek chart

3: R1P3 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA ST
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO ST
159: R5P20 S SEAN DAVIS MARYLAND
166: R5P27 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
198: R6P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU

TRADE PARTNER:
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK
FUTURE ROUND 2 PICK

TEXANS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 3

Expensive Trade, so the question becomes "Is Wentz the Guy"?

popanot 02-29-2016 08:21 PM

That's a heck of a draft, but just too much to give up for my taste. I also don't see Dixon lasting that long. For that cost, I'd probably go a different direction.

painekiller 02-29-2016 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 43333)
That's a heck of a draft, but just too much to give up for my taste. I also don't see Dixon lasting that long. For that cost, I'd probably go a different direction.

I too think the cost is to high. But I wanted to see if it was possible.

Also on this list Dixon was available, and iirc, Williams from Arkansas was there at that pick also.

nunusguy 02-29-2016 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painekiller (Post 43330)
Heard that Chargers are willing to trade #3. So I tried it on fanspeak.

Used DraftTek chart

3: R1P3 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA ST
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO ST
159: R5P20 S SEAN DAVIS MARYLAND
166: R5P27 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
198: R6P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU

TRADE PARTNER:
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK
FUTURE ROUND 2 PICK

TEXANS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 3

Expensive Trade, so the question becomes "Is Wentz the Guy"?

Wentz seems to be the top-rated QB coming out of the combine. Yep easily the biggest player personnel move the Texans would have ever made to this point in time if this trade would come to pass.
But that is the question here isn't it - "Is Wentz the Guy" ?

HPF Bob 03-01-2016 12:11 PM

I had heard conflicting reports that the 49ers were willing to trade down and that they were willing to trade Kaepernick (the Texans were mentioned as a suitor but apparently nobody bothered to ask the Texans first). So I tried using the offer of our 2016 #1 and 2017 #1 plus 2016 #2 to move to #7 to get Goff or Wentz. The problem was, in this sim, the Cowboys took Wentz so I could either take Lynch, take another position or trade down. I traded back down with Philly at #13 for a pair of thirds.

So I wound up with Lynch, Hooper and both Arkansas RBs but I'm out the following year's #1.

HPF Bob 03-01-2016 01:16 PM

I traded up with the 9ers again for #7 involving our #1s in 2016 and 2017 plus our #2 this year. I also traded down twice for more depth later on:

7: R1P7 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
86: R3P23 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
149: R5P10 S MILES KILLEBREW SOUTHERN UTAH
159: R5P20 RB KELVIN TAYLOR FLORIDA
166: R5P27 CB JONATHAN JONES AUBURN
187: R6P9 ILB JOSH FORREST KENTUCKY
198: R6P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
238: R7P19 FB DEREK WATT WISCONSIN


TRADE PARTNER:
NEW YORK GIANTS
SENT:
ROUND: 4 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 10
ROUND: 6 PICK: 9

TRADE PARTNER:
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 7

TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 23
ROUND: 7 PICK: 19

I forget which big board I used but they were all pre-combine.

painekiller 03-02-2016 11:59 AM

FanSpeak's first list post combine.

11: R1P11 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
52: R2P21 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH
85: R3P22 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
120: R4P21 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
140: R5P1 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY
159: R5P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU
166: R5P27 S JAYRON KEARSE CLEMSON
198: R6P20 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN

Trades

TRADE PARTNER: CHICAGO BEARS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 11

TRADE PARTNER: TENNESSEE TITANS GET:
FUTURE ROUND 4 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 5 PICK: 1

5 offensive picks
3 defensive picks

Potential franchise QB, athletic NT with size, stud SEC RB with speed, day one slot CB, athletic TE, burner WR, box safety, that can cover, raw athletic OT.

Two trades that give up next year, but the offense starts to rebuild now.

I could endorse the draft. Nice group.

If the Texans were to get Wentz, then I would consider the draft a success. Add in the other parts picked here and you added much needed depth or potential starters.

popanot 03-02-2016 12:55 PM

I wonder if Philly is so frustrated with Demarco Murray's attitude and contract that they'd trade out of their #1 for cheap just to dump him and his salary. I'd be inclined to give up our #1 and #2 (and maybe a future pick) if we could get the QB and Murray (RB), or if not Murray, sign Lamar Miller so we could use our other picks elsewhere. They should have cap money to do something like that this year.

HPF Bob 03-02-2016 01:18 PM

I decided to trade down and seek Hackenberg or Prescott so I stockpiled picks and came away with this (Fanspeak board 3/1):

40: R2P9 DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE OLE MISS
57: R2P26 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
71: R3P8 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
89: R3P26 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
110: R4P11 WR KENNY LAWLER CALIFORNIA
120: R4P21 CB KEVON SEYMOUR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
126: R4P27 OT LE'RAVEN CLARK TEXAS TECH
149: R5P10 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE
159: R5P20 WR NELSON SPRUCE COLORADO
163: R5P24 OLB DEION JONES LSU
166: R5P27 WR BRALON ADDISON OREGON
198: R6P20 CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
227: R7P8 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS


TRADE PARTNER:
GREEN BAY PACKERS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 26
ROUND: 4 PICK: 27
ROUND: 5 PICK: 24

TRADE PARTNER:
NEW YORK GIANTS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 9
ROUND: 3 PICK: 8
ROUND: 4 PICK: 11
ROUND: 5 PICK: 10

TRADE PARTNER:
PITTSBURGH STEELERS
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 26
ROUND: 7 PICK: 8

Yeah, didn't intend on getting 3 WRs but I was shopping for value.

HPF Bob 03-03-2016 09:42 AM

Incidentally....
 
While trying to mock the Super Bowl 50 Champion Denver Broncos draft at Fanspeak, I noticed they had extra choices beyond the 32nd pick in the round which I thought was a mistake. So I contacted Megan at Fanspeak and she said they had connections that have already projected the compensation picks and added those picks to their mock simulations. Which means, among other conclusions, that the Texans aren't getting any compensation picks this year.

painekiller 03-03-2016 12:31 PM

FanSpeak is finally starting to get the list updated post combine.

22: R1P22 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
32: R2P1 RB EZEKIEL ELLIOTT OHIO ST
52: R2P21 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU
159: R5P20 DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
166: R5P27 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN
198: R6P20 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE

TRADE PARTNER:
CLEVELAND BROWNS GET:
FUTURE ROUND 1 PICK

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 1 (RB EZEKIEL ELLIOTT)

i had to jump back in when I saw Elliott still available at the top of round 2. Could have given up picks in this year, but preferred to give up next years one.

HPF Bob 03-05-2016 12:55 PM

CBS has updated their Big Board post-combine so I took a crack. Instead of trading up, I traded down and still got my QB choice of the second-tier group.


30: R1P30 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
52: R2P21 DT AUSTIN JOHNSON PENN STATE
62: R2P31 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA
85: R3P22 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
120: R4P21 C JACK ALLEN MICHIGAN STATE
159: R5P20 CB JONATHAN JONES AUBURN
166: R5P27 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
198: R6P20 WR DEMARCUS AYERS HOUSTON

TRADE PARTNER:
CAROLINA PANTHERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 30
ROUND: 2 PICK: 31

With the bonus pick acquired in the trade, I was able to get Mr. Heisman as well as Lynch. Austin Johnson is a big DT that came from Bill OBrien U. who will help whenever Wilfork runs out of gas. Allen is a name I haven't looked at before but there was a big drop between him and the next best OL on the board. He has that C-G flexibility, a former wrestler who excels at line calls and short-space movement. On the downside, he's a bit small for the pros.

Roy P 03-06-2016 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 43347)
I decided to trade down and seek Hackenberg or Prescott so I stockpiled picks and came away with this (Fanspeak board 3/1):

40: R2P9 DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE OLE MISS
57: R2P26 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
71: R3P8 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE
89: R3P26 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
110: R4P11 WR KENNY LAWLER CALIFORNIA
120: R4P21 CB KEVON SEYMOUR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
126: R4P27 OT LE'RAVEN CLARK TEXAS TECH
149: R5P10 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE
159: R5P20 WR NELSON SPRUCE COLORADO
163: R5P24 OLB DEION JONES LSU
166: R5P27 WR BRALON ADDISON OREGON
198: R6P20 CB ERIC MURRAY MINNESOTA
227: R7P8 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS

value.

I liked your idea of getting extra draft picks....so I did the same and selected the following players:

40 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISS ST
57 OC RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
71 RB CJ PROSISE NOTRE DAME
89 DE CHRIS JONES MISS ST
110 TE AUSTIN HOOPER STANFORD
120 OG CHRISTIAN WESTERMAN AZ ST
126 NT JAVON HARGRAVE S. CAROLINA ST
149 SS MILES KILLEBREW S. UTAH STATE
159 OLB CHARLES TAPPER OKLAHOMA
163 OT WILLIE BEAVERS W. MICHIGAN
166 RB KENYAN DRAKE ALABAMA
198 WR MALCOLM MITCHELL GEORGIA
227 CB ANTHONY BROWN PURDUE

HPF Bob 03-07-2016 10:09 AM

You gotta be kidding me. Fanspeak mock with 3/4 CBS board produced the QB of the future without a trade and an amazing 5 trade downs with our second round pick.

22: R1P22 QB JARED GOFF CALIFORNIA
63: R2P32 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA
79: R3P16 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
123: R4P24 G SPENCER DRANGO BAYLOR
124: R4P25 CB CYRUS JONES ALABAMA
144: R5P5 ILB NICK VIGIL UTAH STATE
159: R5P20 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE
166: R5P27 RB TYLER ERVIN SAN JOSE STATE
190: R6P12 OT ALEX LEWIS NEBRASKA
198: R6P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH
199: R6P21 FB DEREK WATT WISCONSIN


TRADE PARTNER:
CINCINNATI BENGALS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 24
ROUND: 4 PICK: 24

TRADE PARTNER:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 27

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 29
ROUND: 6 PICK: 21

TRADE PARTNER:
PITTSBURGH STEELERS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 24

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 27
ROUND: 4 PICK: 25

TRADE PARTNER:
WASHINGTON REDSKINS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 22
ROUND: 6 PICK: 12

TRADE PARTNER:
DENVER BRONCOS
SENT:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 29

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 32
ROUND: 5 PICK: 5

TRADE PARTNER:
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 22
ROUND: 4 PICK: 21

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 16

popanot 03-07-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 43377)
You gotta be kidding me. Fanspeak mock with 3/4 CBS board produced the QB of the future without a trade and an amazing 5 trade downs with our second round pick.

IMO, Wentz will be over-drafted in the actual draft (although, he could still be really good), and I have a feeling us amateur draft pundits (myself included) are over-valuing the rest of the QB's. I have a feeling NFL teams do not think as highly of this QB crop as we do. It would not shock me to see Goff - or even Wentz - fall that far if say the Browns fall in love with Goff instead.

Roy P 03-07-2016 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 43379)
I have a feeling NFL teams do not think as highly of this QB crop as we do. It would not shock me to see Goff - or even Wentz - fall that far if say the Browns fall in love with Goff instead.

From your lips to God's ears. If we stayed put and were able to draft Goff, I would be tickled pink.

popanot 03-07-2016 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 43380)
From your lips to God's ears. If we stayed put and were able to draft Goff, I would be tickled pink.

The key will be SF. I think CLE definitely goes QB. But if SF decides to continue to roll with Kap, I think QB2 could fall to us. Rams are another wildcard, but I could see them passing on QB.

Would be nice if:
SF sticks with Kap
Rams sign RG3
NYJ re-signs Fitzmagic

But then, we're going to sign Osweiler and this will be all moot. 😒

Roy P 03-07-2016 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 43383)
The key will be SF. I think CLE definitely goes QB. But if SF decides to continue to roll with Kap, I think QB2 could fall to us. Rams are another wildcard, but I could see them passing on QB.

I could see the Cardinals taking Dak Prescott in the 2nd round as Fisher's "Poor man's Steve McNair" - If that happens and we didn't have a QB, I would rather have Kevin Hogan than Christian Hackenberg....hell, Connor Cook and his "baggage" would be a better option than Hackenberg.

painekiller 03-08-2016 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy P (Post 43384)
....hell, Connor Cook and his "baggage" would be a better option than Hackenberg.

I agree with this part. Also I am not in favor of Hogan.

painekiller 03-08-2016 12:35 AM

I used the CBS updated board

23: R1P23 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
52: R2P21 RB ALEX COLLINS ARKANSAS
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 OT COLE TONER HARVARD
122: R4P23 TE TYLER HIGBEE WESTERN KENTUCKY
159: R5P20 WR KOLBY LISTENBEE TCU
160: R5P21 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
166: R5P27 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN
198: R6P20 ILB JARED NORRIS UTAH

TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS GET:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 23
ROUND: 4 PICK: 23
ROUND: 5 PICK: 21

I cannot wait until the FA signing start in this week, so the teams real needs are shown.

I am still waiting on them the resign the two starting OL guys, and Crick.

HPF Bob 03-08-2016 01:20 PM

Fanspeak updated their board 3/8 so I partook. Had a trade down with the Packers from 22 to 27 and gained some third-day picks:

27: R1P27 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
52: R2P21 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
85: R3P22 G LANDON TURNER NORTH CAROLINA
92: R3P29 DT CHRIS JONES MISSISSIPPI STATE
120: R4P21 CB JONATHAN JONES AUBURN
126: R4P27 RB PAUL PERKINS UCLA
159: R5P20 ILB JOSH FORREST KENTUCKY
166: R5P27 WR BRALON ADDISON OREGON
198: R6P20 DE CHARLES TAPPER OKLAHOMA
199: R6P21 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS

TRADE PARTNER:
GREEN BAY PACKERS
SENT:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 27
ROUND: 3 PICK: 25
ROUND: 4 PICK: 27

TRADE PARTNER:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
SENT:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 25

RECEIVED:
ROUND: 3 PICK: 29
ROUND: 6 PICK: 21


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