Well, shit :mad:

Not only do we not get him, but my favorite QB is a Patriot. Ugh!

Morgan Moses is still on the board as I type. ACC guy from the Virginia area we allways seem to get at least one player from. Would make a great add at RT.

Coming to the realization that Smith is the worst GM in the league. The guy has no vision or feel when to make a move.

2nd round in the books (w/ESPN grade):

1 Xavier Su'a-Filo OG Texans 88
2 Demarcus Lawrence OLB Cowboys 86
3 Joel Bitonio OT Browns 89
4 Derek Carr QB Raiders 68
5 Ra'Shede Hageman DT Falcons 86
6 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE Buccaneers 81
7 Marqise Lee WR Jaguars 90
8 Kyle Van Noy OLB Lions 80
9 Lamarcus Joyner DB Rams 80
10 Jordan Matthews WR Eagles 83
11 Weston Richburg C Giants 77
12 Cyrus Kouandjio OT Bills 88
13 Paul Richardson WR Seahawks 74
14 Stephon Tuitt DE Steelers 89
15 Trent Murphy OLB Redskins 69
16 Timmy Jernigan DT Ravens 87
17 Jace Amaro TE Jets 84
18 Jeremiah Attaochu OLB Chargers 89
19 Ego Ferguson DT Bears 69
20 Troy Niklas TE Cardinals 79
21 Davante Adams WR Packers 85
22 Bishop Sankey RB Titans 85
23 Jeremy Hill RB Bengals 79
24 Cody Latimer WR Broncos 88
25 Carlos Hyde RB 49ers 88
26 Stan Jean-Baptiste DB Saints 86
27 Jack Mewhort OT Colts 73
28 Kony Ealy DE Panthers 87
29 Allen Robinson WR Jaguars 78
30 Jimmy Garoppolo QB Patriots 82
31 Jarvis Landry WR Dolphins 84
32 Justin Britt OT Seahawks 45

So where's this Nix kid we were supposed to take at #33? You suppose he flunked a pee test?

C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa. Not really one of my favorite choices here although I grabbed him a few times when we had multiple picks. There are still some needs I would have rather filled and I would have loved to have grabbed Morgan Moses or Christian Jones or Tre Mason. He's a decent addition but not really a big need at this point.

Freaking TE, C.J. Fiedorowicz!! Guess we don't need a decent QB prospect!

Welcome to Houston, Ryan Mallett!!

Has Smith ever made a good third round pick? I'm trying to think of one.

Eric Winston was the last of Casserly's drafts. Still trying to think of a third rounder by Rick Smith that panned out.

Jacoby Jones was a pretty good pick. Of course that came on the heels of Okoye. Earl Mitchell. Basically both of those guys would have been good picks in the fifth.

FWIW, Brian Ferentz, Iowa's OL coach, worked under O'Brien with the Pats and was rumored to be joining the Texans' staff. Gotta wonder if that connection played into this pick.

I thought Fiedorowicz was as good as Sefarian-Jenkins or Amaro and could be gotten later, thus more value in the pick. I'm still stewing about the Patriots. Tre Mason would have been insurance that we lost in Ben Tate, but who knows we may get a RB later. There are no more TEs in this draft of his caliber, there's a drop off like Crocket Gilmore. Not sure who I would have taken, my top guy was WR Donte Moncrief as Andre's eventual replacement. I also have a special feeling about WR Bruce Ellington. Getting a CB like Keith McGill would have made sense too. All I know, I want DT Caraun Reid in the 4th round

What do we want with a decent QB prospect? Seriously. What good does decent do us? We just spent 5 years with a guy who was better than decent and it got us nowhere.

You can draft a decent OL/DL/RB/WR/TE... But what is the point of drafting a decent QB? Do we really think O'Brien liked one of these guys, and we failed to draft him multiple times? We had our pick of the top 3 and our pick of everyone else and we passed both times. That tells me O'Brien didn't want any of them. Why go trading around the board for a QB our HC doesn't like simply because we have a need there?

We are building both lines and adding players that will allow O'Brien to play the style he wants to play (multiple TEs). It is his first draft and first chance to acquire players he wants (since we sat out FA with $20 million in dead money thanks to Kubiak).

Did anyone think we entered this draft as a team who was a QB away from winning? Then why force it? Buckle in for a losing season under a Head Coach who has the patience that only a 4-5 year leash can give. It looks like O'Brien will spend the next year remaking the roster and is content to address QB at a later date. I can't blame him with what was available.

Mort speculating that O'Brien was eyeing Garoppolo.

Mort's an idiot.

Not only did O'Brien pass on Garoppolo at 33, he watched half a dozen potential QB teams draft in the 50s and never felt compelled to move up (even though we have plenty of extra picks).

All Mort is doing is perpetuating the ESPN Bristol myth that the Patriots always outsmart everyone.

I wonder if we could get an SEC QB in the 5th round: Mettenberger, Murray, McCaron? There's also Logan Thomas and Taj Boyd. Who knows? Tom Savage or David Fales getting anybody's hopes up?

Whatever QB they pick at this point, assuming they do, won't be anointed the QB of the future. I'm better with taking one of those guys under those circumstances, especially Savage or maybe Mettenberger. I think McCarrron and Murray are backups at best and I don't think Boyd is an NFL QB.

If you draft a QB in round 4 or 5 and then cut him a year later nobody cares. If you draft a QB in round 1 or 2 you are tied to that guy and cannot get out from under him for a while (Gabbert, Locker, etc...).

If O'Brien doesn't want to bet his future or his job on a QB in this draft, then it is a self-serving and calculating move (and a smart one for the team), to not tie us to a QB he doesn't really believe in, just to get some young guy in here.

Either way it doesn't appear he is in any particular hurry to turn this team around (no real FA, no urgency at the most urgent position). I figured this was in store with any new coach, but especially with a guy known for doing it his way.

We will see a remade roster before we see a winning season (if we see one). And not going in big with a QB assures that O'Brien will not be judged on the results until he has his guys in place.

I am ok with taking the long view right now. If we have the right HC it will be worth it. If we don't, it just means we wasted 5 years instead of 3.

Exactly. You just said in 1 sentence what I rambled for a page about.

ILB Jordan Tripp, DE Kareem Martin, OL Brandon Thomas or OL Trai Turner could also help this roster. Interested in seeing where they are selected.

This makes sense but it's nevertheless depressing to pretty much write off this year already (and probably next year as well). O'Brien better be right that there wasn't an elite QB in this draft.

Radio saying the Texans are moving up! 83rd pick....

NT Louis Nix ok. Why not. Need a big boy in the middle.

Nix!

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NFL coaches that will try to win with someone else's guys are rare. You don't get a ton of credit for winning with someone else's guys. You don't get to be declared a genius. Only pre-existing geniuses are willing to try it (Dungy and Gruden).

Bellachik guys are particularly well known for tearing down a franchise to rebuild it in their own image (McDaniels).

It's like you said, O'Brien better be right (about the QBs and everything else). But unless he was going to go way outside the box and roll the dice on Manziel, I am glad we passed on all these guys. I'll find some young guys to root for next year, I'll try not to let myself realize we have begun wasting JJ Watt's prime like we wated AJ's, and I will remain optimistic about the future.

Texans give up 4.1 and 5.1 for the trade-up.....

Good Call Bob. Prisco looks even dumber now that we got Nix at 83.

Well, Bob, we have been wanting a big run-stuffing NT for how long? I'll admit I didn't put Nix on MY GUYS because he was getting so much buzz as a late first or early second round pick. Figured he would be off the board before we picked in the 4th which is where I would have taken him. We shall see how he performs on 1st down and 4 down.

I wish I shared your optimism. I see Fitzpatrick as a caretaker this year. Probably go 6-10 or so. Pretty much have to draft a QB next year, which may even require us to trade up and mortgage some future picks because we can't spin our wheels without even trying to get a QB for 2 straight years. Assuming we draft one, we then have a year with the rookie getting his feet wet (maybe he can take the league by storm but I doubt it). So, 2015 is likely a lost cause as well. As it stands now, 2016 is realistically when this team can reasonably be expected to compete again.

Talking heads on NFLN bringing up a Mallett to HOU deal again. Saying there's talk of Mallett agreeing to extend his contract for a year to get it done.

Well we can always tank the season just for draft picks but, wait, there's a baseball team in Houston that already specializes in that. Two in one town would be brutal.

Since we no longer have a 4th or a 5th, what are we using to acquire him with? Keenum?

I think we have a 4th but it's a compensatory pick and can't be traded. If they trade for Mallet, I suspect it will be next year's 3rd.

Why trade for him? Can't see him making the team after NE drafting a QB in the 2nd. Belicheat is a 2 QB kinda guy.

At this point, I don't see that he's that much upgrade over Fitz.

What makes it hurt more is that 2014, like 2013, is another opportunity for a playoff run. The division is weak, the conference is full of incomplete and/or aging playoff teams, and the schedule this fall is not all that daunting on paper.

If 2013 taught us anything, it should be that you need a QB to win. Perhaps if we were clued into the long-term plan at the position, I might feel better.

That said, I do like all of the picks made so far. :o But you need a QB to win.

Seems we got 4 guys who will contribute in 2014 which is a good thing.

I'm glad we got Nix.

What next, perhaps ILB or CB or QB? At end of 4th?

Don't we have the Raiders 5th for Schaub? I'm assuming Bilicheck would almost give him away now. No way would I give a 2015 pick for him unless it's late conditional pick.

No it was a 6th.

We have 4.35 - compensatory, can't trade
3 - 6's
2 - 7's

Ah, thanks!

Round 3 in the books (w/ESPN grade):

1 C.J. Fiedorowicz TE Texans 72
2 Morgan Moses OT Redskins 92
3 Billy Turner OT Dolphins 58
4 Dez Southward S Falcons 58
5 Charles Sims RB Buccaneers 70
6 Marcus Martin C 49ers 87
7 Chris Kirksey OLB Browns 61
8 Scott Crichton DE Vikings 80
9 Preston Brown ILB Bills 65
10 Jay Bromley DT Giants 48
11 Tre Mason RB Rams 78
12 Travis Swanson C Lions 51
13 Chris Borland ILB 49ers 70
14 Spencer Long OG Redskins 49
15 Terrence Brooks S Ravens 80
16 Dex McDougle DB Jets 47
17 Gabe Jackson OG Raiders 73
18 Will Sutton DT Bears 61
19 Louis Nix III DT Texans 88
20 Kareem Martin DE Cardinals 71
21 Khyri Thornton DT Packers 57
22 Josh Huff WR Eagles 60
23 Phillip Gaines DB Chiefs 71
24 William Clarke DE Bengals 61
25 Chris Watt OG Chargers 54
26 Donte Moncrief WR Colts 68
27 John Brown WR Cardinals 59
28 Trai Turner OG Panthers 76
29 Brandon Linder OG Jaguars 56
30 Terrance West RB Browns 68
31 Michael Schofield OT Broncos 55
32 Jerick McKinnon RB Vikings 51
33 Dri Archer RB Steelers 68
34 Richard Rodgers TE Packers 44
35 Crockett Gillmore TE Ravens 54
36 Brandon Thomas OG 49ers 70

Maybe they'll say piss on it all together, but I gotta think they'll take one of these guys at 4.35.....maybe?

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QBs still undrafted: AJ McCarron, Zach Mettenberger, Aaron Murray, Tom Savage, Logan Thomas, D Fales, Keith Wenning, Brett Smith, Tajh Boyd.