TJ is doing such a good job of imitating Schaub its like he is Schaub.:o

This team is beyond defeated. I'm amazed at how unprepared and how poorly this team plays for a veteran team. Smith and McNair need to have some balls and clean house now. I don't give a $hit if that means Wade is the HC the rest of the year. Sick of Kubiak and everyone else on his crap staff.

Not saying STs are the main reason for losing this game, but I'm baffled as to why these guys continuously run out KO's 8-yds deep in the endzone. Is there seriously no one telling these buffoons to just down it and take it on the 20? If Marciano isn't fired tomorrow it will prove to me how impotent this organization's management is.

Stacy for 5.

Flags presnap.... illegal snap on Rams makes it 2nd and 9.

Stacy for 2 or 3. 3rd and 7 coming up.

Stacy for 2. Rams have punt on 4th and 4.

Keo fields the punt and returns it a couple of yards to the Rams 48. Texans ball with 9:17 left in the game.

I think I read we are averaging like 24 yds per KR which is like 4 yds better than touch back.

All these penalties and turnovers are amazing .

Foster for 6.

Foster caught for loss of 1.

Screen to Foster is dropped, inc. Texans to go for it on 4th and 5.

Short pass to Jean gets the 1st down plus roughing the QB on the Rams +15. Ball at the Rams 21.

Tate for about 2 but flag down.... Illegal hands on Rams +5 and an auto 1st down. Ball at the Ram 14.

Tate for no gain.

Yates' pass is tipped, inc. flag down.... offsides Rams repeat down. Makes it 2nd and 6 coming up.

Tate for about 5.

Tate for no gain. Brings up 4th and 1 and Texans going for it.

Tate to the 2 yard line and a 1st down. Under 5 minutes left in the game.

Tate for 1. 2nd and goal coming up.

Tate rushes up the middle. Ball is ruled at the 1 yard line. Kubes challenges that the ball broke the plane.....

Play stands as called....

On 3rd and goal, Tate finally punches it in.

Rams 38, Texans 13

3:15 left in the game.

Seriously? You're still trying to gauge this?

Yes, it's time for this administration to go. Great players on both sides of the ball and we are getting blown out by scrubs...this team has lost its pride and fire.... 400 yds of offense and three turnovers in the red zone. This team has regressed and is in danger of going 2-14 at this rate.

Anyone who looks at that stat and thinks this KO return team is doing a good job and should continue to run out kicks needs to see a doctor ASAP.

Austin downs the ensuing kickoff at the Ram 11 yard line. Rams ball.

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Cunningham rushes for 1.

Flags presnap.... offsides Rams makes it 2nd and 14 coming up.

Cunningham for 3. 3rd and 11 coming up.

Cunningham gets about 7. Rams have to punt.

2 minute warning.

Keo fields the punt and is downed at the Texan 39. Texans ball.

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Screen to Tate gets no gain.

Dumpoff to Tate gets 6.

Pass to Griffin gets the 1st down at the Ram 45.

Pass to Jean gets 8.

Pass to Tate almost INT'ed but inc. 3rd and 2 coming up with 25 seconds left in the game.

Pass to Griffin gets the 1st down.

Yates fumbles, Texans recover and time runs out.

Final score:

Rams 38, Texans 13

I'm embarrassed to be a Texans fan after this joke of a performance.:o

"Great players on both sides of the ball'' for the Texans ? And who would they be, you are gonna have to point them out to me, because I didn't see any great players on the home team today.

On the season we have allowed 1517 yards in 6 games (about 253 ypg). We have gained 2374 (396 ypg). It takes a truly special combination of turnovers, special teams incompetence, and 2-way red zone surrender to outgain your opponents by an AVERAGE of almost 150 ypg and lose twice as much as you win.

I said before today I would be rooting against the Texans and was hoping for 2-14 since that would ensure meaningful change. Even with those hopes today suprised me in just how terrible we were.

One thing that didn't suprise me was Yates. That's just what I would expect from him.

That was not good entertainment.....

Can't believe TJ threw a pick 6. That's just crazy......

Went back on watched the Schaub injury on the DVR. Don't believe that an ankle is supposed to turn in that direction. Too bad. If he's out, we are even more screwed this year than we already were.

I'm seriously starting to doubt all the comments regarding the "talent" we have on this team, as I sure don't see it in quite a few areas.

Kubiak needs to be fired and that's that.

What can you say about that type of game except the season is now officially on life support. If they don't beat KC next week, they will go into the bye week on a five-game losing streak and their season is effectively over.

Gives some props to the Rams. They are starting to put themselves together.

As for Yates, that did look amazingly like nothing had changed with Schaub out. Except the refs will call roughing when Yates get hit. I swear, the refs have some pact where Schaub never gets a roughing flag.

There's just layers upon layers at work here so I'll just hit on a couple of things that are bothering me....

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I'm going to defend Yates. He probably didn't even get any extra reps this week. He's like the old dusty tool in the woodshed that needs tweaking before it is usable again. Of course, I didn't like the pick 6 or the dink & dunk "comeback" he executed. Have we completely given up on the long ball? Hell, I'll take a 25-yard pass - complete or incomplete. Just show it occasionally...

I'd really like to see what Keenum can do unless he's put in a puppetmaster situation. But it's too early to totally write off Yates, IMO.....

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As for Schaub, not a fan of Solomon at the Chron but he summed it up pretty succinctly:

I could care less about being morally outraged at the whole cheering the injury deal.....it's fans being fans. Controversy makes for hot topics and some people are not nice (duh). Big deal, get over it.

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The team is a mess right now and I don't have any answers. But hey, at least we kicked their asses in time of possession and total yards. :rolleyes:

i don't think they are anymore screwed than they would be with him. i agree he is better than tj and case, but the offense had scored no touchdowns in 9 quarters with schaub in. not sure it can get any worse.

oh, and to answer the question about the coin toss. the rams won it.

The line for Texans vs. Chiefs opened at Chiefs by 4 and has quickly jumped to Chiefs by 6.5 to 7 (i.e., early money coming in on the Chiefs).

Usually, the books will hold off on posting a line if the status of the starting QB (Schaub) is unknown. I'm guessing they don't think it makes any difference..... :o

Looks like we lost D Manning for 6-8 weeks.

Anybody heard Schaub's status? Out a week? 2 weeks or more?

Haven't seen anything. My guess, and I'm pulling this straight out of my arse, Schaub sits this week an is back after the bye. That would likely be the best case scenario.

i am starting to think that the best case scenario is a top 10 pick and taking a qb

no worries. we have ed reed. oye

The thought of that makes me want to throw up. They should have resigned GQ.

Kubiak says they'll make a determination on Schaub later in the week.

Saw this and couldn't resist:

Bob McNair has a bumper sticker that says "My other Carr is a Schaub."

All of this is obviously totally on McNair. I'm not wishing for a Daniel Snyder, you know, I think all current and former Astros fans have seen what can happen when in the ownership a team trades one piece of slime for another piece of slime. But some accountability would be nice every once in a while. Some indication that the owner is interested in winning rather than cashing checks would be nice every once in a while.

I'm afraid what it comes down to is that McNair is another POS Texas fraud of an owner in a long and storied line of them. The only possible way to stop this bullshit is for people to quit paying for it. I somehow don't see that happening in my lifetime.

So what type of owner are you asking for, Chuck? Robert Kraft? Arte Moreno? Mark Cuban? Woody Johnson? Jerry Jones?

My only real knock on McNair is that he's probably too patient but he made changes after the 2-14 disaster in 2005 and maybe he will again after this year's collapse.

I got jumped on earlier when I said I thought perhaps the game had passed by Kubiak and Phillips but maybe now folks understand better what I mean. Kubiak's system no longer surprises anyone and neither does Wade's 3-4 although it hasn't been that awful other than not generating sacks and turnovers.

Signing Ed Reed was a huge mistake And at what point do we start holding Rick Smith accountable?

I think you hit the nail on the head about Kubiak's and Wade's systems.

What system surprises anyone anymore? I've heard that alot lately, especially since things aren't going as planned, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. Play selection issues, absolutely, but system issues?

The zone read option was the thing last year. How's Kapernick and Wilson doing with that this year? Thier rushing yards are attributed to scrambles, as we saw first hand, and they were damaging.

NFL coaches are smart enough, and spend enough time on it to catch up with everything eventually.

At the end of the day, it comes down to execution, regardless of system. IMO, with the Texans that starts in the trenches, and this is by far our worst Oline play we have seen in the Kubiak era.

Not saying you're wrong, but I just have a hard time throwing my hands up and saying its a system thing, when on just about every goof we have can be lead to poor execution of the play.

The difference to me is that the best QBs in the league are able to read a defense before the snap, make changes if need be, and execute on the play.

Kubiak is limiting his QB's ability to free-style in this manner. I can understand why he may do that with a backup like Yates or someone with just 1-2 years in his playbook, but Schaub has been here since 2007. This is his SEVENTH freaking season with Kubiak! If Schaub hasn't earned the right to audible in Kubiak's offense, then the Texans will never catch any by surprise.

Hard to believe it has been seven years with Kubiak and Schaub... that is a long long time.

You answered your own question. You acknowledged that the zone read was a surprise used with success last year. The fact that it isn't successful until the end of time doesn't mean that those teams didn't greatly benefit from it last season.

And I don't generally re-watch the games but it seems like teams are having their backside DEs stay home and play the boot and we don't have an answer for that. So, what was one of our most successful plays and one of the staples of our offense is now rarely called and when it is, it's a disaster (see Seattle). That's a huge system issue when one of the things you predicate your offense around disappears and there's nothing to take its place.

I would take any owner who cares more about winning than anything else and whose mistakes happen because he is trying to win.

I understood what you meant and agreed totally. Otherwise do you really think I would forfeit an opportunity to give you a hard time about something? My Texans-induced apathy does have its limits, you know.

Bob, I'm right there with you on your comments about McNair. I still think he's one of the best owners in the NFL and I'm still very grateful that he brought that sports league back to Houston. And eventually when Kubiak needs to go whenever that is, McNair might be a bit too deliberate getting it done but he'll probably make the right move when it happens.

I'd rather have McNair than an owner who wanted to be involved. McNair makes a decision that affects the team once or twice a decade (HC/GM hire/fire). That means a guy with no real football background and no professional training makes a decision twice a decade. Compare that to the Cowboys, Jets, Redskins, etc... where an unqualified guy meddles constantly. Where Woody Johnson sinks a whole season to get a piece of the Tebow media coverage. Where Jerry Jones runs the franchise like its John Madden and dumps obscene contracts on skill positions and never has adequate line play because he is an amateur play acting at GM. Or Washington where the owner will do anything to win except be patient so the team is always re-uppin on the fly and looking for short cuts rather than building.

We may not like the professional decision makers in Houston, but it is better than having some guy with a business sense acting out his whims as a fan because his bank account lets him.

I don't view it as an either/or proposition.

I agree with you that they are not entirely mutually exclusive. But I do think owners who value winning first do not truly exist. These are guys who are all about money. That is how they got where they are. They do not throw away money in the name of ideals. They might be willing to spend short term to secure a superbowl, but every owner in the NFL is self serving and business first. They use public money to build stadiums, and then they charge the public for the right to buy tickets in public funded stadiums (PSLs). Owning an NFL team is basically a right to print money (at taxpayer expense).

Now some owners are content to own a franchise and be a part of the club. Clearly Bob McNair values being a "well respected" member of the owners fraternity more than the W/L record of the Texans. I am fine with that. I don't think Bob Kraft is any different. He just made 1 really good hire a decade into his ownership. Same thing with any of the other generally quiet owners who have won superbowls. They keep their head down, collect mountains of cash, and enjoy the perks of being filthy rich.

NFL owners as a group know very little about the game of football and should have nothing to do with game of football decisions. I like the ones who are content to fleece the paying customers on the business end, and not play amateur football "genius".

I don't know of a single NFL owner who is proactive about winning first, but smart enough to let actual professionals make the decisions.

Perhaps teams have made the conscious decision that they would rather have the backside DE or OLB key the bootleg and give Foster/Tate some bigger cutback lanes believeing a 10-yd gallup by the RB is more desirable than a 20-yd pass to AJ crossing against the flow of the play. That sure seems to explain what the Rams were doing. And if any coach has experience defending Kubiak's offense, it's Jeff Fisher.