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Arky 09-22-2013 02:14 PM

The ensuing kickoff goes out of the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.

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Pass to AJ good for 12.

Foster for 2.

Foster for 8 and a 1st down.

Pass to Hopkins good for 6.

Tate for 1. Ball at the Texan 49. 3rd and 3 coming up.

Schaub's pass goes inc but flag on the play. Illegal shift on Texans is declined. Texans to punt.

Ravens fair catch at their 11 yard line. Flag down..... Holding on Ravens backs it up to their 6. Ravens ball.

popanot 09-22-2013 02:18 PM

Meltdown in full swing.

Arky 09-22-2013 02:19 PM

Pierce for 1.

Pass to Clark gets 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Leach gets 4 and the 1st down. Roughing the passer on Mercilus, 15 yards and an auto 1st down.

Pierce for no gain. Ball at the Raven 31.

Flags presnap. Neutral zone on Texans... makes it 2nd and 5.

Pierce for 4. Brings up 3rd and 1.

Pierce gets hammered by Mays for no gain. Raven to punt.

Martin fair catches at the Texan 19. Texans ball. 4:04 left in the 3rd quarter.

Arky 09-22-2013 02:26 PM

Ball is placed at the Texan 20.

Pass to Martin goes for nice gainer. 17 yards.

Foster loses 2. 2nd and 12 coming up.

Pass to Martin goes to the Ravens 47.

Pass to Hopkins gets about 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.

Tate rolls right for about 3 and the 1st down.

Pass to Tate in the flat loses 5.

Deep pass down the sideline sails inc. 3rd and 15 coming up. 37 seconds left in the 3rd quarter.

Timeout Ravens.

Arky 09-22-2013 02:30 PM

On 3rd and 15, pass to Martin off his hands, inc. Texans to punt.

Punt is downed by the Texans at the Raven 3 yard line. Ravens ball. 24 seconds left in the 3rd quarter.

Arky 09-22-2013 02:31 PM

Pierce gets loose for big gainer. Ball at the Raven 29.

End of the 3rd quarter.

popanot 09-22-2013 02:36 PM

It's bad when your P and K are the game MVPs entering the 4th QTR.

Arky 09-22-2013 02:41 PM

Cushing offsides, 5 yards. 1st and 5 coming up.

Pass to Brown gets 4. 2nd and 1 coming up.

Deep pass to Smith is inc. Brings up 3rd and 1.

Draughn rushes for 2 and the 1st down.

Pass to Smith gets 9.

Pass to Clark gets nice gain and a 1st down. Ball at the Texan 39.

Flags presnap. Offsides Texans -5. 1st and 5 coming up.

Draughn TFL'ed by Watt for loss of 2.

Draughn for 1. A little over 11 minutes left in the game. 3rd and 6 coming up.

Pass to Clark gets 8 and the 1st down at the Texan 26.

Pierce for no gain.

Pierce loses 1. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Flacco's pass sails inc. Ravens to go for the FG on 4th and 10.

Tucker's 45-yarder is good.

Ravens 27, Texans 9

9:09 left in the game.

Big Texas 09-22-2013 02:45 PM

So the addition of Hopkins was supposed to make our offense explosive right...then why does it look so ridiculously slow? Does the loss of one OL deplete our offense? If so, we are not ready for the Super Bowl...

Arky 09-22-2013 02:54 PM

The ensuing kickoff goes out of the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.

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Pass to Posey over the middle is broken up, inc.

Dumpoff pass to Tate gets 6. 3rd and 4 coming up.

Pass to Hopkins gets 5 and the 1st down.

Dink pass to Hopkins gets 6 more.

Pass to OD gets 4 and the 1st down. A little over 7 minutes left in the game.

Down goes Schaub. Loss of 7.

Pass gets 7. 3rd and 10 coming up.

Flags presnap..... False start OD. Makes it 3rd and 15.

Pass to Posey gets 13. Texans going for it on 4th and 2.

Timeout Texans. 5:03 left in the game.

Schaub's pass off the mark, inc. Ravens takeover on downs. Ball at midfield.

barrett 09-22-2013 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 35138)
So the addition of Hopkins was supposed to make our offense explosive right...then why does it look so ridiculously slow? Does the loss of one OL deplete our offense? If so, we are not ready for the Super Bowl...

Our OL looked that bad for large stretches of the Tennesee game and Brown was awful in SD. Wade Smith was attricious in pass protection today. We look bad across the board offensively.

Arky 09-22-2013 03:04 PM

Pierce for no gain.

Pierce goes right for about 10 or 11, 1st down.

Flags presnap. Illegal substitution on Texans, 5 yards, makes it 1st and 5.

Pierce for 4. 2nd and 1 coming up. Ball at the Texan 31.

Pierce gets close to the 1st down..... Makes it 3rd and 1. Ravens challenge the spot of the ball....

Play is ruled a good spot - still 3rd and 1.

Leach for 1 and the 1st down.

Pierce for 3...... 3 minutes left in the game. No timeouts left for anyone.

Pierce for 3. Ball at the Texans 24.

2 minute warning.

WMH 09-22-2013 03:07 PM

The O laid an egg today, it happens.

Next....

Arky 09-22-2013 03:09 PM

On 3rd and 5, flags presnap.... False start Ravens makes it 3rd and 10.

Leach for 4 or 5. Brings up 4th and 5. Ravens to go for the FG.

Tucker's 43-yarder is good.

Ravens 30, Texans 9

1:08 left in the game.

Arky 09-22-2013 03:12 PM

Wood downs the ensuing kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.

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Wood for 1 yard.

Wood for about 4.

Time runs out.

Final Score:

Ravens 30, Texans 9

HPF Bob 09-22-2013 03:44 PM

Not a lot to say. The Pick 6 changed the momentum and then the punt return iced it. Texans had little fight after that. I'm really not surprised.

Hey, Ed Reed. Which team gave you a big contract this year? So how about you stop laughing and smiling on the sideline as if your side is winning? Oh, that's right. YOUR side is winning. Congratulations, bastard.

TheMatrix31 09-22-2013 05:18 PM

Just one of those days.

This team will not be successful if the offensive line stays as atrocious as it is.

popanot 09-22-2013 05:55 PM

This team is in serious trouble, IMO.

Offensively: OL sucks, QB can't get out of the pocket and can't hit a deep ball (w/o the D making a mistake), no physicality and can't effectively play finesse ball, slow doesn't even begin to describe most of our offensive 'talent', Kubiak's scheme appears slow and outdated.

Defensively: No pass rush, can't create turnovers, horrible backend play, teams look to have figured out how to exploit Wade's scheme, anyone not named Watt or Cushing is playing like sh&?...

It really ticks me off this team can't play physical football. I absolutely cannot stand wimpy teams, and unfortunately, we've become one. I see a team that will be lucky to win 9 games this year. Ugh, my head hurts...

Watching the Colts v SF game. The Colts are WAY better than we are.

barrett 09-22-2013 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 35147)
This team is in serious trouble, IMO.

Offensively: OL sucks, QB can't get out of the pocket and can't hit a deep ball (w/o the D making a mistake), no physicality and can't effectively play finesse ball, slow doesn't even begin to describe most of our offensive 'talent', Kubiak's scheme appears slow and outdated.

Defensively: No pass rush, can't create turnovers, horrible backend play, teams look to have figured out how to exploit Wade's scheme, anyone not named Watt or Cushing is playing like sh&?...

It really ticks me off this team can't play physical football. I absolutely cannot stand wimpy teams, and unfortunately, we've become one. I see a team that will be lucky to win 9 games this year. Ugh, my head hurts...
Watching the Colts v SF game. The Colts are WAY better than we are.

They weren't more physical than us, we ran the ball effectively and completely shut down their running game. We lost the game on 2 terrible plays. We let an offense that couldn't get a 1st down off the hook by spotting them free TDs. Being phyical had nothing to do with it.

popanot 09-22-2013 06:52 PM

I'm not talking about just this game, I'm talking about what this team has become. It's been going on for awhile now. As for this game, IMO, the Ravens were definitely more physical than us. When I came time to hit someone and make a stop, they did it and we didn't. Yes, our offense shut them down the in the 1rst QTR, but after that, they didn't do squat to slow down the Ravens. Yes, they gave up that pick-6 and punt return, but even after that they were still in the game. They did nothing and were no threat at all offensively or defensively after the half despite still being within striking distance.

WMH 09-22-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popanot (Post 35149)
I'm not talking about just this game, I'm talking about what this team has become. It's been going on for awhile now. As for this game, IMO, the Ravens were definitely more physical than us. When I came time to hit someone and make a stop, they did it and we didn't. Yes, our offense shut them down the in the 1rst QTR, but after that, they didn't do squat to slow down the Ravens. Yes, they gave up that pick-6 and punt return, but even after that they were still in the game. They did nothing and were no threat at all offensively or defensively after the half despite still being within striking distance.

Soft, Really?
The same team that out slugged TN last week is soft?
The same team that squashed SD in the 2nd half in week 1?
The same team that allowed less than 240 TOTAL yards today?

Totally disagree.

We played like shit today. Period, exclamation point. I still don't think we suck, and I don't think the Colts are better than us. I have no idea where they got that defensive effort from, but they played well today. San Fran is taking a nose dive, and are about to lose their major pass rusher.

Its week 3, and we're 2-1. Regardless of how we got there, we're there. Surely you didn't thing we were going to go thru the entire season without laying an egg.

News flash, we're probably going to do it again too. And so is just about every other team. It happens.

TheMatrix31 09-22-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 35148)
They weren't more physical than us, we ran the ball effectively and completely shut down their running game. We lost the game on 2 terrible plays. We let an offense that couldn't get a 1st down off the hook by spotting them free TDs. Being phyical had nothing to do with it.

Yep. Just like we spotted them 7 free points with that loser Jacoby Jones' muffed punt in the playoffs. Our defense shuts down their offense, gift them free points, and don't do anything offensively. That's how they won the playoff game. That's how they won today.

For what it's worth....SF, GB, and Atlanta all lost (and looked horrible, especially SF) today and all have Super Bowl expectations like we do. Like I said, it's just one of those days.

Nconroe 09-22-2013 07:55 PM

For sure the pick six changed the momentum. Followed by the punt return for six really made it tough against a good defense at home on Ray Rice day.

It seems end of second quarter and start of third quarter the team has had a let down all three games so far.

Our defense did hold Ravens to less first downs, less yards, and less time of possessions than Texans. But they aren't getting turnovers despite pretty good pressure on opposing QB.

Then consistency really was hurt by 14 penalties for 113 yds, both offense and defense. For a reasonably experienced team that was a lot of penalties, many just stupid penalties.

Colts and Titans are 2-1 just like Texans. Texans are bound to get more consistency as games go by, although next two games could be difficult as well.

Foster looked a lot better but didn't get that many carries. And nice to see Posey out there again.

I thought Mercilus, Sweringer, and Manning showed up on defense.

OL I'm hoping a few more games will get healthy and jell into a very good OL going through Nov, Dec and Jan

popanot 09-22-2013 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMH (Post 35151)
Soft, Really?
The same team that out slugged TN last week is soft?
The same team that squashed SD in the 2nd half in week 1?
The same team that allowed less than 240 TOTAL yards today?

Yes. And yes, that team. I'll give you they played physical smash-mouth football in the 2nd half of the SD game, but that's about it. You're not going to convince me this is a physical team that imposes their will on either side of the ball. Shoot, I'd be happy if just one side of the ball did it somewhat consistently. Maybe the D did 2 years ago in Wade's fist year, but that's been a loooong time ago.

Quote:

We played like shit today. Period, exclamation point. I still don't think we suck, and I don't think the Colts are better than us.
I don't think we suck, but I don't think we're very good right now. And do think the Colts are better right now. JMHO. And believe me, it hurts to say that.

Quote:

Its week 3, and we're 2-1. Regardless of how we got there, we're there. Surely you didn't thing we were going to go thru the entire season without laying an egg.
Never said that they'd go 16-0. However, this team is supposed to be a SB contender and I expect them to show up. They got asses kicked today. I don't care if it's pick-6's, ST TD's, whatever. It's a team game and they all got their asses kicked. 30-9, ZERO points in the 2nd half when they were still in the game - in spite of the 1rst half egg laying. And BTW, I don't care about what SF, GB, ATL, or anyone else does. They're a non-factor. I care about our team and they're not playing well..

They've played basically 30 minutes of good, quality offensive and defensive football (2nd half in SD) so far in 3 games. I'm glad they have 2 wins, wish it was 3, but I'm not happy with what they're doing and will express it. Other than the 2 wins, I can't imagine what positives people can pull out of what they're doing right now. Great, 2 wins, but how many more wins can we expect with how they're playing? That's my concern. They better figure it out soon.

barrett 09-22-2013 10:19 PM

You can rant and wine after an ugly loss all you want. You can see about purcahsing Firekubiak.com . You can bemoan Matt Schaub's lack of mobility and arm strength. You can burn Bob McNair in effegy and remember the good old days when Wade's defense was tough. Good for you if that's how you deal with a loss. I deal with a loss by getting cranky and disagreeing with the specific content of posts meant to express general displeasure. I look to be 'reasonable', and to poke those who aren't. And someone else is not posting and just drinking. To each his own.

But your idea that we are soft is still more football cliche than truth. People love to talk soft and physical without anything real to back up either. The Ravens couldn't run the ball, didn't stop the run, made no big tackles, got absolutely stuffed on 3rd and 1 in the 2nd half, and won on a few big plays from fast players. They were as finesse as it comes. And they were the far better team. It wasn't even close who the better team was today and it had nothing to do with hitting hard.

As for Indy, there season was in jeopardy 24 hours ago. They inched by Oakland at home, got beat by Miami, and then panic traded for a guy who has 2 runs over 20 yards in 300 career carries (and that guy ran for 2.7 YPC today, just like he did in Cleveland). Then they got a great win today in SF and the whole narrative changes. That is the nature of the NFL. You only play 16 games, so everyone matters. A loss means the sky is falling and a win means you're super bowl bound. Except all that matters is getting into the playoffs and being hot in January.

I am very worried about our OL right now. I continue to be permanently nervous about our QB. I don't know why our coaching staff hasn't had our guys ready to play yet. And I am totally confused about our mostly missing in action OLBs (should we file a missing persons report for Brooks Reed?). But I am not the slightest bit worried about how physical we are.

Arky 09-22-2013 11:36 PM

Early line vs. Seattle next Sunday is Seahawks by 3.

TheMatrix31 09-23-2013 12:44 AM

I brought up SF, Atlanta, and Green Bay because they're in in an even worse position than we are and they have "legitimate QBs" which we supposedly do not. The point is, everyone seems to lament us having Schaub but look what having Kaepernick, Ryan, and Rodgers gets ya!

The point is that it's Week 3. The regular season is to work out the kinks. Do we want to look like this? Of course not. Neither do they. After what the Giants pulled in the last five years, and after all the other countless examples, you'd think we'd learn not to freak out about the regular season.

We're not the ****************ing Pittsburgh Steelers, here. It's ugly but jeez, have some patience.

popanot 09-23-2013 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31 (Post 35157)
We're not the ****************ing Pittsburgh Steelers, here. It's ugly but jeez, have some patience.

Relax. No one, certainly not me, said the team totally sucks or that the season is over. All I did was point out the GLARING weaknesses this team has had since well into last season and continue to have this season. I also said this team lacks physicality. Whether our voice of 'reason', barrett, thinks so or not, I do and I'll say so. Sorry that seems to have upset some folks.

popanot 09-23-2013 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 35155)
You can rant and wine after an ugly loss all you want. You can see about purcahsing Firekubiak.com . You can bemoan Matt Schaub's lack of mobility and arm strength. You can burn Bob McNair in effegy and remember the good old days when Wade's defense was tough. Good for you if that's how you deal with a loss. I deal with a loss by getting cranky and disagreeing with the specific content of posts meant to express general displeasure. I look to be 'reasonable', and to poke those who aren't. And someone else is not posting and just drinking. To each his own..

Nothing like taking one comment of mine and blowing it totally out of proportion. I appreciate you allowing me to voice my displeasure how I want.


Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 35155)
But your idea that we are soft is still more football cliche than truth. People love to talk soft and physical without anything real to back up either. ..

Whether you think it's real or not, that's how I, and I'm sure many others, perceive this team. It's called an opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 35155)
As for Indy, there season was in jeopardy 24 hours ago. They inched by Oakland at home, got beat by Miami, and then panic traded for a guy who has 2 runs over 20 yards in 300 career carries (and that guy ran for 2.7 YPC today, just like he did in Cleveland). Then they got a great win today in SF and the whole narrative changes. That is the nature of the NFL. You only play 16 games, so everyone matters. A loss means the sky is falling and a win means you're super bowl bound. Except all that matters is getting into the playoffs and being hot in January...

Again, totally blowing what I said out of proportion. Never once did I crown them champion. I said, as of right this moment, I think the Colts are better than we are. I understand that upsets people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 35155)
I am very worried about our OL right now. I continue to be permanently nervous about our QB. I don't know why our coaching staff hasn't had our guys ready to play yet. And I am totally confused about our mostly missing in action OLBs (should we file a missing persons report for Brooks Reed?).

Thanks for reiterating every concern I brought up in my original post. I'll let you know when firekubiak.com is live. Promise, free to the public and no advertising.

HPF Bob 09-23-2013 10:00 AM

I said back when the season began that some will panic if the Texans start 2-3. But fear not. Even if we start 2-3, we basically have four tough games after that for the rest of the schedule (Indy twice, NE and Den and three of those are home games). I presume Duane Brown is back soon and we get back to teaching K-Jack not to interfere on passes.

If we split with Indy, I see us no worse than 10-6 and a wild card.

Interesting to note that, in the NFC (the allegedly superior conference), they don't have enough teams over .500 to fill out a playoff bracket while the AFC has four undefeateds and ten teams over .500. So there is a lot to shake out and the skies will probably get darker before it gets brighter.

Seattle spends the next two weeks at Houston then at Indianapolis so they should be a good barometer of where we stand vis-a-vis the Colts.

chuck 09-23-2013 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HPF Bob (Post 35160)
... and we get back to teaching K-Jack not to interfere on passes.

I'm sure those lessons will start to sink in right about the time he signs as a free agent with Atlanta.

I don't see the Texans as soft. I simply see a team whose OL blows, whose QB is a statue, whose play caller is an idiot and whose owner protects and coddles the coach of the worst special teams unit in football. Other than that they're doing great.

Joshua 09-23-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 35162)
I'm sure those lessons will start to sink in right about the time he signs as a free agent with Atlanta.

I don't see the Texans as soft. I simply see a team whose OL blows, whose QB is a statue, whose play caller is an idiot and whose owner protects and coddles the coach of the worst special teams unit in football. Other than that they're doing great.

I tend to agree with this, although I think Kareem got screwed on at least one of those penalties and is actually a pretty good player at this point. At least he's running stride for stride with his guy where he can interfere. More than we can say for Joseph these days.

Unfortunately, the Texans probably are what they are. An above average team, but one with a fairly low ceiling due to their QB's limitations. So, I suspect they'll go 10-6 or somewhere around there and make the playoffs, but I just don't see how they're going to "get hot" come January. Getting hot generally means your QB starts playing out of his mind. Even at his best, I don't think Schaub is capable of much more than "efficiently running the offense."

chuck 09-23-2013 05:07 PM

If the team goes 10-6 this year it will be a miracle.

Nconroe 09-23-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 35165)
If the team goes 10-6 this year it will be a miracle.

I don't believe in miracles, but perhaps a magic spell could help.

nunusguy 09-25-2013 08:55 AM

At the beginning of the year with this years schedule I was thinking 10-6 and 4-2 in the division, and now I'm wondering if achieving both of those goals is starting to look downright ambitous ? However I realize that we were just 2 plays away from being in Sundays game to the way end, but wow were they big plays.
Watching Kubiak settle for those field goals in the first half was really frustrating and although I know the Ravens offense hasn't been a juggernaut this year, I wondered just what the HC was thinking ? I expected Kubiak to come out in a full single-wing formation any series. Did the Texans throw the ball down field one time ?
I just hope somebody tells the HC to think TDs first and then FGs this Sunday in Reliant vs Seattle.
And I'm still trying to figure out the Indy in San Fran game ? What was that about ?


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